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Back of the Book: More Shots Fired at U.S. Border Patrol on Mexican Border
Bill O'Reilly

11/14/2000
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O'REILLY: In the "Back of the Book" segment tonight: THE FACTOR continues its investigation of violence along the Mexican border. We've already documented two occasions where Mexican authorities shot at American federal agents. In the first incident, Mexican troops actually crashed through a fence in Texas, came on to American soil and shot at two border agents who were on horseback. Now comes word that in California more shots have been fired at American agents, and the story is being kept under wraps.

Joining us now from San Diego is the president of the National Border Patrol Council, T.J. BONNER.

So tell us, Mr. Bonner, what happened?

T.J. BONNER, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: On October 24, at just after noon, a U.S. Border Patrol helicopter clearly marked dropped off two agents close to the border, obviously on our side of the border. Shortly after that, these agents came under fire, at least eight shots were fired at them by 10 Mexican military troops. The agents clearly identified themselves as Border Patrol agents and told the troops that they were in the United States. The troops nonetheless advanced into the United States, telling the agents to come out of the brush. The agents again identified themselves, told the Mexican troops that they were in the United States and they needed to go back to Mexico. When reinforcements started to arrive from the Border Patrol, the Mexican military got into a minivan, at least some of them did, and drove off.

O'REILLY: All right, so how many shots were fired at the U.S. agents?

BONNER: At least eight.

O'REILLY: And nobody was hurt, obviously, right?

BONNER: No, nobody was hurt, thank God.

O'REILLY: OK, investigation, subsequent investigation revealed what?

BONNER: Well, the U.S. Border Patrol claims they did an investigation, although we have it on good authority that there never was an investigation, that the matter was just swept under the carpet.

O'REILLY: So this is the -- this is what happens on most of these things, they don't want any international incidents, so when this stuff happens, they just let it go, right?

BONNER: Right.

O'REILLY: Is that orders from the Justice Department?

BONNER: I'm not sure where it's coming from. It could be Justice. It could be State. It could be coming from as high as the White House.

O'REILLY: Now, the two guys who were -- are they angry, the two guys who were in the brush getting shot at by the Mexican troops?

BONNER: They're not the only ones who are angry. All Border Patrol agents are angry, we're angry at the Mexican government for allowing this to happen, for letting their troops take potshots at our agents. We're angry at the U.S. government for trying to sweep this under the carpet.

O'REILLY: Now, when you hear about reports like this, what do you, yourself, do as a president of the union? What do you do?

BONNER: Well, in the last incident, the one in New Mexico, we wrote to just about everybody that we could think of asking for a full and complete investigation. We got back a letter from the president of the United States that addressed some water boundary issue, it wasn't even the right issue. We got back a letter from the head of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the commissioner, responding on behalf of the attorney general some four months after the fact telling us that it was all right, that this would never happen again, and here we are. It happened again.

O'REILLY: All right, so basically, the situation we have down there from Brownsville to San Diego is you have U.S. Border Patrol agents on our side being shot at by Mexican military. Now, we've heard accusations that the military assists drug runners across the border and, you know, is actively involved in the smuggling of narcotics into the United States. Do you believe that this was what this was about in this incident?

BONNER: It's really hard to say, because we'll never know. Mexico denies that their troops shot at our people. And amazingly, the U.S. Border Patrol says that the reason they dropped the investigation is that the question of he said/she said. But we have four U.S. Border Patrol agents swearing that these are the facts. And then we have Mexico denying. And somehow, in their eyes, this makes for a he said/she said. We can't sort this out.

O'REILLY: Well, I know who I believe, Mr. Bonner. And I think know who the millions of people watching THE FACTOR right now believe. And they believe the border agents. We know this is going on. And you know the tragedy of this: The elite media won't report on it. You didn't get any national publicity on this at all, did you?

BONNER: No, we didn't.

O'REILLY: Well, it's a shame. Now, you let us know when this happens again, or what -- you investigate it yourself. You let us know every step of the way what happens, and we'll report it to the folks. OK?

BONNER: Great. I appreciate it.

O'REILLY: All right, Mr. Bonner. We'll do everything we can to help you guys out down there.

And next, we'll wrap things up with "The Most Ridiculous Item of the Day" and some of your mail.

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O'REILLY: Time now for "The Most Ridiculous Item of the Day."

Like the ballots in Palm Beach County, we had some confusion by folks visiting our Web site yesterday. Walker English, who lives in Houston, e-mailed me, saying: "I read on your Web site that Jesse Jackson was coming on THE FACTOR. What happened to him?"

What the Web site should have said is that we were doing a story about Reverend Jackson. He refuses to come on this program because we've been investigating his finances and have many questions about his failures to itemize expenses -- big expenses. Jackson knows we'll ask him about this, and, obviously, doesn't want to answer. But he's welcome to come in here any time. A conversation with the reverend on THE FACTOR might clear the air a bit, and would certainly not be ridiculous.

Finally tonight: the mail, much of it about Jesse Jackson's intrusion into the Florida election situation.

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Sally Hannah, San Jose, California: "Would Jesse Jackson be down in Florida if Governor Bush were challenging the ballots?" Only playing golf, Ms. Hannah.

Ken Burney, Ann Arbor, Michigan: "I listened to the talk about Jesse Jackson and all I have to say is: Hey, O'Reilly, cut us some slack and knock of the political commentary."

What hypocritical commentary, Mr. Burney? Everything I've said about Jesse Jackson is absolutely true -- period.

Joyce Johnson, Jefferson City, Missouri: "O'Reilly, you are right. Jackson has no right to break down our nation. When I heard you speak, I said: Finally, we have a media individual who has the guts to call it the way it really is."

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No one is ever shouted down on this program, David. You better adjust that volume. And Reverend Falwell is never intimidated.

Sharon Harmon, Los Angeles: "O'Reilly, what a farce! Jerry Falwell tells us that Jesse Jackson runs where the camera is. And Falwell doesn't?"

Well, he didn't go to Florida, Ms. Harmon.

Helen Joy, Melbourne, Florida: "Bill, your defense of Al Gore in your exchange with Falwell makes me doubt your visual and auditory senses."

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That's because I don't have a political bias, Mr. Prather. I vote for people who are honest and have the ability to solve tough problems. I don't care what party they are in.

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Be happy to pass that information on, Barry, in the spirit of the holidays, of course.

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