As of 1pm CST the Senate is still going to vote on the economic stimulus package with the loopholes giving illegal aliens tax rebates still included! CALL YOUR SENATORS NOW!

Why am I not surprised?

What a crock!

All of our "elected representatives" should be recalled and we should start with a completely new batch of people. Maybe we could find some with the brains and balls to do what is right for this country before it's too late.

I will be calling my representative to express my opinion!

You forgot to mention fraud. How many illegal aliens have multiple identities?

ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!

BUT THAT`S OUR GOVERNMENT...

THIS IS GREAT NEWS NOW MY ILLEGAL WIFE AND HER ILLEGAL FRIENDS CAN POCKET THE TAX MONEY THEY SO DESERVE. THANKS AGAIN AMERICA I LOVE YA

I AGREE THAT NON-CITIZENS SHOULD NOT GET A CHECK

Here's the FAIR URL for telling your Senator and Congressman the same thing I just did:

https://secure2.convio.net/fair/site/Advocacy?alertId=215&pg=makeACall&JServSessionIdr004=p1ouh7ixn1.app6a

I told them:

"No checks to an ITINs individual [a replacement SSN for illegals], you must be physically present in America and a No Match check by the IRS on the SSN used to get the check."

On the article above I totally disagree with part of it. The reason both Republicans and Democrats are voting for economic stimulus is because our GDP 4th quarter was 0.6% (recessionary) and the stock market/dollar/Money Market rates are crashing. Conservatives and Liberals won't argue those pragmatic facts.

We don't need anymore overpopulation immigration, that's why we're in this mess!

And thank you FAIR for the URL!

CONGRESS FIXED THE ILLEGAL ALIEN LOOPHOLE TODAY.

ONLY VALID SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, NO ILLEGAL ALIEN TAX NUMBERS WILL GET A REBATE, IF IT PASSES... SORRY JOSE BUSH, YOUR ILLEGAL GANG WILL GET NOTHING, UNLESS YOU RESORT TO FRAUD, OR IDENTITY THEFT AS USUAL!

Friends,
It seems we will get the checks regardless of whether it is truly good for the economy or not. Hopefully, they will amend it to not give free handouts to illegal aliens.

I suggest we have a campaign to allocate some of the rebates to support this effort and the other efforts to stop illegal immigration by donating a portion of our checks to this and the other sites needing funding.

Greg

Should ilegal aliens get billions in rebates. Actually, the relevant thing to note is that--our politicians think they should. How much does it take to get through to some Americans?

NHO BUT HE--NO!!!!!!

Should illegal aliens get a $1.8 Billion Tax Rebate? Why, sure, shucks, our elected officials are giving our country away to Mexico, anyway, so what's a few more dollars for all our amigos . . . sorry, I just violently hurled.

What a second! I thought they didn't pay taxes? How many sides of an issue do you guys want to argue? They don't pay taxes but they shouldn't get refunds. They dumbing down the schools and not interested in an education, yet they're taking all the slots at Universities. There sending all their money back home but yet you introduce legislation to prevent them from purchasing(investing in) real estate here. We're starting to see through this line of garbage that you're trying to feed us. It's called scapegoating and fear-mongering. So just knock it off.

On January 31, 2008 I sent the email (excerpted from FAIR's Action ALert) below to Senators Max Baucus and Charles Grassley of the Senate Finance Cmte. I also sent this letter to both of my senators and congressman.

"The economic stimulus package traveling through Congress right now does nothing to stop the IRS from issuing rebate checks to illegal aliens.

The issue stems from defining who is eligible for a tax rebate. In drafting H.R.5140, Congress left gaping loopholes. Section 101 excludes "nonresident aliens" from being eligible, but this is essentially meaningless as the IRS does not determine whether an individual is a "nonresident alien" based on his or her immigration status. Moreover, it does not address the eligibility of illegal aliens who send in tax returns using stolen or false social security numbers.

At a minimum, the IRS should be required to screen the numbers (whether individual taxpayer identification numbers (ITINs) or social security numbers (SSNs)) used to issue the checks to ensure they match the name of the taxpayer in question. If a name and number do not match, the IRS should be prohibited from issuing a tax rebate check.

Please take action to correct this oversight."

So illegal aliens do pay taxes. So why was i made to believe that they do not ???

Um, there is very little fear mongering about the 3rd world invasion of illegals into the US. Because of the mass immigration we are experiencing today, the US will grow increasingly overpopulated so that the quality of life will suffer along with the availability of resources. The census bureau predicts that the population of the US will swell to 420 million by 2050. That is an increase of 120 million people in 43 years. This is a far cry from sustainable development of a country.

sure send it ... if we have an address then we know where to send ICE ...

I IMAGINE THE CANADIANS WILL BE HORRIFIED

They probably like to shop in America with our devalued dollar; caused from elite globalist American immigration overpopulation and outsourcing destroying the economy.

BUT STILL, ILLEGAL ALIEN BORDER JUMPERS DON`T NEED A THING!

THE ILLEGALS ARE NOT GOIONG TO WORRY ABOUT PROPER IDENTIFICATION. THEY NEVER HAD TO BEFORE SO WHY START NOW.

Yea, Right.
Kick Americans around but surely don't put a stop to illegals.

ATTENTION, AMERICAN PEOPLE: ON TUESDAY IN FABRUARY 5 IS AN ELECTION, SO PLEASE, AMERICAN PEOPLE, GIVE YOUR POWERFUL VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY-- HE IS A LAST HOPE TO BEAT McCAIN-MEXICAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!EACH YOUR VOTE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY AGAINST McCAIN'AMNESTY AND HIGH TAXES. DO NOT LET ANY MEDIA DESTROY YOUR VOTE AND THOUGHTS TO VOTE FOR McCAIN-TRAITOR WHO WANTS TO SELL THIS COUNTRY TO ILLEGALS.

PLEASE, AMERICAN PEOPLE, VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY-- HE IS A LAST HOPE TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND INVASION, AGAINST TERRORISTS, AND HIGH TAXES!!!!

DO NOT WAST YOUR VOTE FOR HACKABEE OF RON PAUL, EVEN IF THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN, THAT IS WHY, VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY-- HE WILL SAVE THIS COUNTRY AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND ECONOMICAL DESTRUCTION!!! THINK ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE HOW THEY WILL LIVE IN THE FUTURE IN AMERICA IF LIBERAL WINS AN ELECTION, THAT IS WHY, AMERICAN PEOPLE, VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY-- HE IS A LAST OUR HOPE TO SAVE AMERICA FROM ITS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!

MITT ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!!!! DO NOT WASTE, AMERICAN PEOPLE, YOUR VOTE FOR HACKABEE OR RON PAUL, JUST VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY--- HE MUST BEAT McCAIN-TRAITOR WHO SUPPORT ILLEGALS AND AMNESTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

please don't wait, go vote for Romney. America is at stakE, And the media is dong everyting to push an amenesty crowd. Call you friends and family and get them to the pool for Romney. He is OUR only hope in combatting the drain on our country by third world illeglas invaders. I fear fro my childrens' future.
Shame on our crooked politicians. It will get worse with any dem like Klinton and Obama, and McCain is 25 year crooked. Remmeber he worked with Ted kenenedy to get Amnesty? McCaine is a tiny bit better than any of the two pro-amnesty dems, but will open the door for 20 million illegals.

I plead with you - GO VOTE ROMNEY! Please make the needed efforT. GOD BLESS! Thank you.

Christina, how absolutely true and right you are about the corrupt, and connected, John,"AMericans wouldn't pick lettuce for fifty dollars an hour" McCain. My Lord, for this insult alone you would think Americans would trash his chances. Have some people know self respect?

Juan Hernandez ... nuff said.

DON'T PUT LIPSTICK ON OUR PIG ECONOMY

If unemployment was actually so darn low and the economy so darn vibrant, needing overpopulation immigrants to shoulder the load; why are we writing emergency income tax rebates to help revive this rosy economy?

Why has the stock market and dollar [your CD and Money Market rates too] plummetted lately? Why is America's 4th quarter GDP 0.6% [recessionary level] and we still call the economy good deserving more overpopulation immigration?

Sometimes I think the whole country has gone mad [except people like us in the Fair Board].

If McCain wins the GOP he will make the US a POW. He will surrender the border to Mexico, give up on protecting Americans by allowing illegals take over our country, and worst of hold hostgage the 1st Amendment.

"If McCain wins the GOP he will make the US a POW."

Mitt Romney CLEARLY distinguished himself on immigration last night. He also came across as a smart, tough, reasonable and amiable guy. The kind of person I want holding the trigger to our nuclear weapons. Now the voters need to respond and send the New York Times-endorsed McCain home to his wife's house in Arizona.

During the debate, McCain reiterated his lie about Romney's voting record with a wide, smug, plastic "I can do whatever I want and get away with it" grin, then dodged the question about his own amnesty bill by saying it wouldn't be brought up again, anyway. OF COURSE he would vote for it again. Are the voters of California going to take that lying down on their home turf? California talk radio needs to rally the troops.

Beside the fact McCain's a dirty-tricks, lying creep, McCain's made a cynical calculation: he thinks Americans, deep down, love the guy who's mean, bullying, defiant to social graces and sticks his middle finger right in the world's face. That's who he thinks we are as a people. Are we? If so, then he's right down at our level where everyone can relate and identify with him as "one of us." If, on the other hand, we want lawbreakers to go to the back of the line and we want a thoughtful, intelligent president who stands his ground under fire, then GOP voters need to rally around Romney, not split their votes among him and the other candidates. This is it.
Can the GOP nominate a candidate who's on the left of Lenin on immigration? If so, in another 1-2 election cycles, they might as well merge the identical Republican and Democrat parties and finish with the formality of calling our one-party system's party the Communist Party USA.

Speaking of which, McCain's demeanor reminds me of an avowed communist classmate I had in college. The guy's whole demeanor was humorless except when laughing at someone or basking in a feeling of superiority. He lived in his head: his facial expressions would move in calculated ways, but the rest of his body never budged. It was all "thought-out" emotion, never genuine.

A question worth asking: what did the North Vietnamese do to his mind during those long years of captivity? Anyone worth his salt knows the Soviets, Chinese and North Vietnamese would have been very sophisticated in indoctrinating a political catch like McCain. It would have included ideas about American history and changes in our demographics, a central part of Soviet nuclear war strategy. National security readers: ask some of the old-timers if you don't already know this yourselves. I have specific ideas on how that would play into McCain's rush to change our population to 700 million plus, but the bottom line is that McCain is de-facto a Manchurian Candidate, whether he knows it or not, and the man's also displaying lack of feelings for his colleague Mitt Romney, another sign he's been damaged in the Hanoi Hilton, where they may have done a good job on him, indeed.

GOP: don't nominate this man.

This will be good news for John" Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for fifty dollars an hour," McCain." He wouldn't want remittances hurt. He wouldn't want anything to spoil the reconquista and strip mining of Americans taxes by illegal aliens. Oh, no. Anyway, whats the worry. If lettuce picking jobs dry up, theres always Mayor "who will take care of the golf courses" Bloomberg to fall back on.

Moan and groan all you want , but it is looking like McCain is our man.
PUKE!
Neal Boortz preaches we should have certain conditions to earn the right to vote, I also agree with term limits.
The senate is fattening up the so called "economic stimulus package", no surprise.
We have completely lost control of our own government, its sad.
There have been such bloody wars and unbelievable suffering by our founding forefathers as they struggled to create what became the greatest nation on Earth.
We should be ashamed of our fat and happy selves.
PUKE!

once John AMNESTY EXPRESS becomes president or el presidente dos, these Mexicnas will come to the US LEGALLY and be eligible for welfare, so they wont need remitinces, oh yes he'll make a draft for his hundred year war as well

Lets see now,

Remittances to Mex 24 billion

Shortage in California 14.5 billion

Gee, if RINO Swartzenager sent his illegals home how much better off would genuine Californians be?

I watched the repub debate as most. Sorry to say that my impression was that McCain blew Romney and the rest out of the water and made them all look stupid. This is a disaster, to the average voter who can not see through the lie's McCain is going to be the guy they vote for. Unless Romney still has something up his sleeve I would say it is all done but the vote. God help us all.

Hey Everybody,

How about a law for government to seize all remittances from the USA to Mexico and if the sender can't prove in 30 days that the money has had the taxes paid the money goes into the general fund to defray welfare and social service payments for illegal aliens.

Civil Society Helps (civilsocietyhelps.org) helps perpetuate fraud against U.S. citizens. The courts in Minnesota are ill equipped and uninformed about the immigration fraud these kinds of groups promote. See http://www.marthasullivanlaw.com to learn about a common immigration fraud tactic.

With false accusations from an immigrant residency seeker and the help of VAWA laws, a stable American citizen can be reduced to living in poverty. All of your assets can be seized and given to the immigrant residency seeker even if you are not found guilty. You will immediately be forced to surrender a portion of your income to the immigrant residency seeker. The courts will order you to turn your motor vehicle over to the immigrant residency seeker even if the car is in your name and the residency seeker does not have a drivers license. Your illegal immigrant spouse becomes legal and you become illegal. The court system will abuse you and strip you of your rights while social programs that promote immigration fraud thrive.

SOUNDS GOOD IOWA

Especially the part about employer sanctions!

Iowa sounds like they are headed in the right direction with this. I think I will be moving there to avoid the influx of illegals to Wisconsin my home state. The politicians here in Wisconsin can't even decide if they should ask if some one applying for public assistance is illegal. Then besides that two words Russ Feingold enough said there, what a bunch of knot heads.

WHO NEEDS SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENTS ANYMORE?

Mob rule works better?

Has the whole North Ameican continent lost its brain?

Gutierrez said. "Those people are heroes for us.". Well here in the USA they are criminals.

Softwarengineer - I ask myself the same question every day. I think we both know the answer.

AND THEN THEY WILL ALL END UP HERE!

Yes, Gutierrez is someone that can be held up as an example to lawabiding nations everywhere. Nothing whatever, that Mexico does should be an example to this nation. Nothing.

who needs govts? who needs war? who needs taxes?

MAYBE SO...

BUT THE BRAINDEAD FOOLS WILL STILL VOTE FOR AMNESTY JOHN McTRAITOR!

And once again the republican voters will fall for McCain`s lies, and denials. Like the, I was never for amnesty, or the, I`m not gonna deport the illegal mother of a fighting soldier nonsense. It`s all a ridiculous dodge!

Yes, some Californians have noticed that there are a few illegal aliens in the state.

WHY won't the moderators ask a ? about McCain's VOTING record on illegal immigration. THAT should be open ground for discussion.

Hopefully the Voters in California will place their Country above their personal benefit. How many upper and middle income Californians hire Illegal Alien Gardeners, Housekeepers and Nannys to save a buck? I clean my own house and my garderner is an American Citizen. I refuse the services of Contractors who use Illegal Alien labor. Sure it costs more, but preserving the sovereignty of California is worth it. Now that our choices have been reduced, it appears that Tom Tancredo made a wise move in supporting Mitt Romney,as he appears to be the only Candidate left who will preserve American Sovereignty. Hopefully that will become obvious in the Tonight's Debate. Wake up California, we have the numbers to Elect a Pro American Candidate!

Hopefully the Voters in California will place their Country above their personal benefit. How many upper and middle income Californians hire Illegal Alien Gardeners, Housekeepers and Nannys to save a buck? I clean my own house and my garderner is an American Citizen. I refuse the services of Contractors who use Illegal Alien labor. Sure it costs more, but preserving the sovereignty of California is worth it. Now that our choices have been reduced, it appears that Tom Tancredo made a wise move in supporting Mitt Romney,as he appears to be the only Candidate left who will preserve American Sovereignty. Hopefully that will become obvious in the Tonight's Debate. Wake up California, we have the numbers to Elect a Pro American Candidate!

We all need to get behind Mitt Rommney. Get out and vote!

Brave heart is right on. I agree and do the same. We all need to get behind Mitt Rommney. Get out and vote!

Looks like Schwarzenegger, like Crist, is going to endorse McCain. Romney is the clear choice to clean up illegal immigration. He can't get the endorsements or the votes. A worn-out old military guy who thumbs his nose at those who disagree is preferred over a younger, intelligent problem solver. Seems to me like the nightmare scenario for America has come to pass. The numbers have reached levels that put the system out of control.

THE DUMBING DOWN OF CALIFORNIA MAY WORK?

McCain will win?

He says he's heard us and he'll build the wall first, then incorporate his amnesty second.

How about just jail the illegal American employers first? Its a lot cheaper than a wall and works far better. McCain would never agree to that, he loves all the illegal overpopulation in California stealing Middle Class jobs with slave labor rates, but he'll never admit it!

There is an old saying from way-back-when: "The people of a country have the government they deserve." I would add that they have the country they deserve.

Mitt Romney is learning a hard lesson. When you move against immigration, there are lots of people who will say "I am with you" or "I am behind you all the way." When the going gets tough, however, and you look over your shoulder, a whole lot of them will be long gone. I used to think that McCain would lose the presidency because of immigration, but I think it will be Romney instead. Its a shame. He clearly is head-and-shoulders above the others. He would solve problems. The others will create more problems.

As for the "Terminator", well, he tries really hard to be a nice guy. The question is, will he stay in the United States if the country turns into a huge mess and he gets a good offer somewhere else?

And Tancredo? He would still be standing there behind you.

Mitt Romney CLEARLY distinguished himself on immigration last night. He also came across as a smart, tough, reasonable and amiable guy. The kind of person I want holding the trigger to our nuclear weapons. Now the voters need to respond and send the New York Times-endorsed McCain home to his wife's house in Arizona.

During the debate, McCain reiterated his lie about Romney's voting record with a wide, smug, plastic "I can do whatever I want and get away with it" grin, then dodged the question about his own amnesty bill by saying it wouldn't be brought up again, anyway. OF COURSE he would vote for it again. Are the voters of California going to take that lying down on their home turf? California talk radio needs to rally the troops.

Beside the fact McCain's a dirty-tricks, lying creep, McCain's made a cynical calculation: he thinks Americans, deep down, love the guy who's mean, bullying, defiant to social graces and sticks his middle finger right in the world's face. That's who he thinks we are as a people. Are we? If so, then he's right down at our level where everyone can relate and identify with him as "one of us." If, on the other hand, we want lawbreakers to go to the back of the line and we want a thoughtful, intelligent president who stands his ground under fire, then GOP voters need to rally around Romney, not split their votes among him and the other candidates. This is it.

Can the GOP nominate a candidate who's on the left of Lenin on immigration? If so, in another 1-2 election cycles, they might as well merge the identical Republican and Democrat parties and finish with the formality of calling our one-party system's party the Communist Party USA.

Speaking of which, McCain's demeanor reminds me of an avowed communist classmate I had in college. The guy's whole demeanor was humorless except when laughing at someone or basking in a feeling of superiority. He lived in his head: his facial expressions would move in calculated ways, but the rest of his body never budged. It was all "thought-out" emotion, never genuine.

A question worth asking: what did the North Vietnamese do to his mind during those long years of captivity? Anyone worth his salt knows the Soviets, Chinese and North Vietnamese would have been very sophisticated in indoctrinating a political catch like McCain. It would have included ideas about American history and changes in our demographics, a central part of Soviet nuclear war strategy. National security readers: ask some of the old-timers if you don't already know this yourselves. I have specific ideas on how that would play into McCain's rush to change our population to 700 million plus, but the bottom line is that McCain is de-facto a Manchurian Candidate, whether he knows it or not, and the man's also displaying lack of feelings for his colleague Mitt Romney, another sign he's been damaged in the Hanoi Hilton, where they may have done a good job on him, indeed.

GOP: don't nominate this man.

Hey, I am a native (very few of us) Californian and I am totally against illegal immigration. I am voting for Romeny as I do not see Paul making it far enough. Californian's do care but we are out voted by -well we all know who. I am a true patriot and hate seeing what has happened to my state over the last 20 years or so. I am so fed up with what McCain thinks all we care about is sealing the borders and then granting amnesty. We want the borders sealed and enforecement of our existing laws you idiot McBrainless. He is deaf to the true American Patriots.

How can any sensible person believe a word RINO McTraitor says... He dodges every question he doesn`t want to answer, with Iraq and terrorism... He was asked a question about how he would handle the economy, and he goes off on a rant about Iraq and terrorism... This clown actually said troops will be in Iraq for 50 to 100 years, is this guy nuts... He sounds like a Boosh neocon war monger... McAmnesty is a un-trustworthy liberal RINO!

It may well be that it is the top issue for GOP voters in California, but their so called REPUBLICAN GOV is supporting just the opposite and the state will vote MCAMNESTY.

American Me---he's nuts.

it was in Iowa and HUCKABEE won it was in S. Carolina and John AMNESTY Mccain won, it was in Florida and the Mccain amnesty express won, do you see my pattern?

I feel like I am waking up from a bad dream and finding out that it really happened.
How did the NeoCons manage to hyjack the primary election??! This is crazy! It is almost like they have found a way where nobody's vote counts unless it is for their candidate.
How Can This Be? I cannot be convinced that McCain is popular enough to be leading in every state. Yet if the MSM polls can be believed he seems to be. WHAT HAPPENED?

ATTENTION, AMERICAN PEOPLE: ON TUESDAY IN FABRUARY 5 IS AN ELECTION, SO PLEASE, AMERICAN PEOPLE, GIVE YOUR POWERFUL VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY-- HE IS A LAST HOPE TO BEAT McCAIN-MEXICAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!EACH YOUR VOTE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY AGAINST McCAIN'AMNESTY AND HIGH TAXES. DO NOT LET ANY MEDIA DESTROY YOUR VOTE AND THOUGHTS TO VOTE FOR McCAIN-TRAITOR WHO WANTS TO SELL THIS COUNTRY TO ILLEGALS.

PLEASE, AMERICAN PEOPLE, VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY-- HE IS A LAST HOPE TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND INVASION, AGAINST TERRORISTS, AND HIGH TAXES!!!!

DO NOT WAST YOUR VOTE FOR HACKABEE OF RON PAUL, EVEN IF THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN, THAT IS WHY, VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY-- HE WILL SAVE THIS COUNTRY AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND ECONOMICAL DESTRUCTION!!! THINK ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE HOW THEY WILL LIVE IN THE FUTURE IN AMERICA IF LIBERAL WINS AN ELECTION, THAT IS WHY, AMERICAN PEOPLE, VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY-- HE IS A LAST OUR HOPE TO SAVE AMERICA FROM ITS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!

MITT ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!!!! DO NOT WASTE, AMERICAN PEOPLE, YOUR VOTE FOR HACKABEE OR RON PAUL, JUST VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY--- HE MUST BEAT McCAIN-TRAITOR WHO SUPPORT ILLEGALS AND AMNESTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

INDIANA SOUNDS JUST LIKE SOFTWARENGINEER

It was a battlefield win for the pair, especially for Clinton, who would crush McCain in the general election. Despite the LA Times spin, McCain earned plenty of independent votes in Florida from people who registered as Republicans for the vote ... that according to CNN's coverage last night. Also, McCain did well with Cubans on the immigration issue (I'm disappointed in Cuban-American citizens here) and oldsters, two constituents he won't have in many other races.

I still consider McCain a long shot, but Hillary's a shoe-in.

The bottom line is that GOP conservatives and moderates need to rally behind Romney if they don't want the Hanoi Hilton candidate whose amnesty bill, co-sponsored with Ted Kennedy, was once tacitly endorsed on the Communist Party USA web site. McCain also voted against tax cuts and has no problem spending other people's money, including his wife's.

By comparison, Hillary might even look better than McCain in the general election on immigration. McCain's that bad. At least Hillary recently stood up to boos from Hispanic Democrats when asked whether she'd introduce amnesty legislation within her first 100 days in office and she replied that it's up to Congress. She waffles on the issue, but she's more likely to reflect, consider, question and work with Congress vs. McCain's certain, ruthless pursuit of his agenda.

And the Clintons have a lot of dirt on McCain's behind-the-scenes dealings. Military voters who voted for McCain in Florida thinking he's a straight arrow will find out they were wrong. Wearing a uniform alone does not make someone have character, as the country will see.

Boy how the America people have short term memory... Last summer McTraitor was public enemy number one, and his campaign was dead because of his amnesty, now people are voting for this liberal RINO... They`re falling for his lies and deceit, and the left wing MSM is surpressing the real truth as much as they can, because they like his left wing stance on most things... Don`t believe a word this RINO says, politicians are masters at creating illusions!

CLINTON OR RINO McCAIN.

KISS AMERICA GOODBYE!

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/01/conservative_pundits_seriously.html

A McCain presidency will be Bush on massive doses of steroids. McCain might as well ditch the suit and put on a military uniform that will have more buttons and medals on it than any banana republic dictator. He will be the first "president" or dictator of the North America Union. What is left of the middle class will be a distant memory by the first year of his term ( that is, if he doesn't appoint himself ruler for life). I can't even really get a focus on the democrats now as I am concentrating on the implosion of my own political party. My fellow citizens we are heading into real scary times.

The question now is do you want 100% "Amnesty" or a 99% one. Take your pick....

I wish some brain in Washington (is that an oxymoron ?) would explain how filling the country will low-skilled, poorly educated criminals will help to keep them (Congress) in the style to which they've become accustomed? Don't they need law-abiding citizens to keep paying for their perks and lifestyles? Or, perhaps, as they imply - there is no one left to do the jobs. You'd think we have all been taken up in a spaceship somewhere. We can't mow laws, flip burgers, mind the baby or paint a house. Gee, I wonder how we got to this point without illegal Mexican labor?

My candidates for . . .

Best Kennedy-McCain Photo-Op (on "Comprehensive" Immigration Reform):
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/71308912.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABB3717169E2B975424A40A659CEC4C8CB6

Best quote on John McCain:

"Amongst grassroots conservatives, John McCain's name is an expletive — and for good reason — because he has made a name for himself by knifing conservatives time and time again for the amusement of his liberal pals in the mainstream media." (John Hawkins, “Conservative Nightmare: Republican Nominee, John McCain," Jan. 14, 2008)
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2008/01/14/a_conservative_nightmare_republican_nominee,_john_mccain

Best one-page overview of the McCain record on immigration --- from NumbersUSA:
http://www.numbersusa.com/PDFs/mccainonepager.pdf

The news is full of opinions this morning that conservatives might as well throw in the towel. Romney can't win, ect.
We need some more information out on McCain. I was stunned that Florida voters could vote for this crazy tempered, traitorous, amnesty supporter. Everybody needs to read an article by Patrick Buchanan on VDARE. Headlines: McCain Means: Amnesty, Taxes, Liberal Judges, First Amendment Erosion, Free Trade Dogma, War.

If McCain gets the nomination, all we have left to do, to try to save this country, is, to do a write in on election day. We all know that that will not get any desired results, but it is what I will feel forced to do.

McCain is another Bush, only meaner, more arrogant and even less caring about the people of this country.

I am a NH Democrat and am a strong supporter of Romney. At the moment he is the only anti-illegal immigration person that may have a shot at the National Election.

Our last hope for true immigration enforcement may die at the sword of McCain.

Who is to blame?? WE ARE... If we don't support Romney both Financially and campaigning then we we are at fault if he doesnt win.

As a Democrat I talk weekly to my fellow Demo's to understand the importance of immigration enforecement. I also held the Romney sign during the NH primiaries. And contribute $40 per month. Why you ask?? He is our last hope for a National Election fight and he is the closest thing to JFK we have.

He needs to OUT SPEND Amnesty-McCain. Since McCain gets all GOOD free press from the Mass Media. Look at the latest TIME. The only free press Romney gets is all bad!! McCain also has a HUGE Political Machine being a Senator for over 20 years. Romney is pretty much the outsider.

If it's Dimwitts & McTraitor I'll stay home. Both stink on Illegals and the Border. Kiss the SW US goodbye if they get elected. You know it's true.
Treason at highest levels!

Pro Patria!

PS when you want to take to streets I'll be there!

I saw an article crediting "oldsters" in Florida with significant influence in the outcome of the Florida Republican primary. Wonder how all those "oldsters" who voted for the traitorous piece of human flotsam AKA John McCain will feel when their hero destroys Social Security by giving their benefits to Mexico? I am utterly amazed at how easily the lying, liberal main stream media has influenced the fools in this country. Obviously, the memory of McCain's duplicity last summer with the traitor Kennedy and the worst president in America's history has been erased from their simple minds by the MSM's relentless support for the RINO.

Beam me up Scotty, there is no sign of intelligent life here........

From the February, 2008 Social Security and Medicare Advisor:
Social Security Totalization Agreement With Mexico Still Pending
TSCL Fights Loophole That Allows Social Security For Illegal Work
Despite widespread concerns, the Social Security totalization agreement signed with Mexico in 2004 is still pending. If allowed to go into effect, Mexican immigrants, including those who worked in this country illegally, would become eligible for “totalized” Social Security benefits based on illegal earnings.

Grassroots efforts by The Senior Citizens League (TSCL) and our supporters are raising concerns among Members of Congress about the cost of the agreement to Social Security, and the potential of benefit cuts for retirees who earned their benefits legally.

The Social Security Act requires the President to submit the text of the agreement, a report that includes the estimated number of individuals who would be affected, and the estimated financial impact of the agreement on Social Security to Congress. Although President Bush has not yet sent the agreement to Congress, in 2003, prior to the agreement being signed, the Social Security Chief Actuary estimated that it would have a “negligible” long-range cost that would average about $110 million per year over the first five years. The Government Accountability Office, however, called that estimate into question saying, “the cost of such an agreement is highly uncertain, because the SSA failed to account for the large number of current and unauthorized immigrants from Mexico.”

In December of 2006, TSCL obtained the first known public copy of the agreement from the Social Security Administration after being forced to file two Freedom of Information Act lawsuits. The package of documents released to TSCL, however, did not include copies of the Social Security Administration’s cost estimates.

TSCL is continuing to fight the agreement. Once the President sends it to Congress, lawmakers will have only 60 days to block the agreement from taking effect. TSCL supports the “No Social Security for Illegal Immigrants Act” (H.R. 736) introduced by Representative Dana Rohrabacher (CA). The bill would close a loop-hole in the current law by prohibiting the use of work credits based on illegal work from being used to determine entitlement for Social Security benefits for immigrants.

Sources: Status of Totalization Agreements, Social Security Administration, December 6, 2007. Question for the Record Submitted to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice by Congressman Culberson, House Appropriations Committee, released under the Freedom of Information Act to The Senior Citizens League, December 22, 2006. “Proposed Totalization Agreement With Mexico Presents Unique Challenges,” GAO, September 2003, GAO-03-993.

Can anybody say "LOU DOBBS" ?

The senators McCain and Clinton are good friends to hi-skill immigrants like me and also to lo-skill Pedros working in the fields. It is good feeling to see them have winnings while the bigot Tancredo gets the taste of the dust. The un-Fair group supports lazy loosers and bigots. Where is Gail Roma now? Probably at salon getting grey hairs coloured.

MSM CONTROLS A LOT OF AMERICA

Not most us folks on the Fair blog; but the dumbing down of America is definitely working for the MSM and the elite wanting overpopulation masses to compete for fewer jobs; yet they hope to keep Americans totally unaware of their tyranny.

Don't get me wrong, we've always had our share of dumbness in America [any country has it], even when we had a vibrant economy with a real manufacturing sector in 70s. The big difference in today's dumbing down now occurs in a overpopulated service economy. Its obviously occuring with overcrowding in the colleges, highways, supermarkets, housing developments, parks, etc, etc.....I know the inventiveness and hope has drained away from America and its replaced with way too much stress of putting most of your efforts/resources into just owning a simple average home and car, keeping juinior on the way to a high school diploma with in-home tutoring [that my parents never had to worry about, because schools were far less crowded and far better funded per student] or they fail math and science [or pass because their math/science parents did their homework].

We might get them through the math and science in prep school, but that's followed with their hopelessness of possibly working hard to get a degree in a technical field with an American manufacturing sector gone. With real research and development basically gone too; or horribly mitigated in the name of sharing the American labor pool with the globalization god.

Couple that with a good percentage of non-technicals running the show and a lot of them controlling the technical's wages, with resource shortages and $3/gal gas....you get the picture.

We're at each other's throats just to survive.

We're getting scared in America with exponential overpopulation growth and far less opportunities and when that happens, we suddenly get dumb, overly protective and greedy. Look at the way the Democrats have evolved the last 10 years away from environmental population control, to become globalist outsourcers with elite kickbacks, its simply brainless and horrifying.

JOHN McCAIN IS A LOOSE CANNON!!!!!!!

HIS PRESIDENCY WILL ASSURE A MILITARY DRAFT OF ALL OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN AND CONTINUED WARS OF CONQUEST BY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

THIS TRAITOR WILL "MEXICANIZE" THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

YES,,,INDEPENDENT,,,,KISS AMERICA GOODBYE.

WHY DID SO MANY GOOD GUYS DIE TO ONLY END UP LIKE THIS?????

Chin up! Senator McCain if elected President, is going to create jobs picking lettuce at fifty dollars an hour. I can't understand why so many AMeicans don't appreciate the man. I'm considering doing it. It will improve my finances AND validate my worth as an American to the new President, by my modeling myself after the ideal type of American President McCain has in mind. We have to start respecting these honorabel politicians more.

Both are nutjobs. My worst nightmare for 2008 Presidential choices.

Captain Queeg certainly has the inside track. It just depends on whether he can keep from blowing a gasket and starts spewing before next Tuesday. Otherwise, the nutter is a lock.

No amount of spin can obfuscate the fact that Tuesdays Florida republican primary was a closed affair. This means ONLY republicans cast ballots.

John McCain won handily by 6%!!!

Tom Tanccredo, Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson, Ron Paul and even Mitt "FLIP FLOP" Romney all thought demagoguing the immigration issue was their ticket to the White House...looks like they all thought WRONG!!!

I have noticed how Stein Report has been promoting Mitt Romney. What then is the message of his REJECTION by the republican voters?

Who's out of touch with America? John McCain or Stein Report readers?

Abc News Polling blog report on Florida primary, page 2 , paragraph 6;

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/Story?id=4211960&page=2

"Four in 10 Republican primary voters said most illegal immigrants should be deported to the country they came from, while 58 percent said they should be allowed to stay as temporary workers or offered a chance to apply for citizenship"

Looks like even the majority of Florida REPUBLICANS agree with the John McCain approach to solving this contentious issue...once and for all!!!

John McCain = True Blue American HERO!!!

Fat Man, your bias for the Illegal Aliens is OBVIOUS! Go to the website www.numbersusa.com and you can clearly view the Records of each Candidate on Immigration. McCain has recieved an "abysmal" in most areas. Slanted stats and flawed logic have affected many "non informed" voters. Remember the massive rejection of the "Immigration Reform Package" Congress tried to cram down Americans' Thoats last Summer? 85% of Americans who called their Legislators were in opposition! Duh!

Fat Man, your bias for the Illegal Aliens is OBVIOUS! Go to the website www.numbersusa.com and you can clearly view the Records of each Candidate on Immigration. McCain has recieved an "abysmal" in most areas. Slanted stats and flawed logic have affected many "non informed" voters. Remember the massive rejection of the "Immigration Reform Package" Congress tried to cram down Americans' Throats last Summer? 85% of Americans who called their Legislators were in opposition! Duh!

FAT MAN AND MCCAIN LIKE 50 MILLION IMMIGRANTS ADDED TO AMERICA SINCE 1990

It was a linear increase in insane overpopulation since 1990 to America too, Clinton was at the helm too!

No wonder our lipstick pig economy needs rebate checks. Overpopulation is clearly the root cause!

"Support our economy."

I have to assume that the sub-prime mortgage situation is an example of the 'support' that foreign workers contribute to, along with the health care system and social service sectors of our economy. Thanks for the support, guys.

WHAT ELSE IS NEW!

THIS CLOWN IS A OPEN BORDER, GLOBALIST, NEOCON MORON.

THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, THIS IDIOT WILL BE GONE... BUT THEN WE COULD HAVE CLINTON OR McTRAITOR, WHICH COULD BE WORSE, IF THAT`S POSSIBLE.

FAIR's doing its job here. That's a great thing. Don't give an inch, FAIR! As a member-at-large, though, I have a different perspective of this speech as I outlined on another blog entry.

JORGE CAN TAKE HIS PANDERING AND HIS AMNESTY AND RIDE OFF INTO THE SUNSET. HE`S IRRELEVANT ANYWAYS, AND HAS BEEN FOR AWHILE.

WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY

Bush...WHO? Who cares what Bush thinks about anything?

The Bush presidency has been all smoke and mirrors- the Bush presidency only happened because of vastly wealthy people and people with inside connections. His presidency was really the first presidency to have been bought and now we are all paying a stiff price for it. George W. Bush was like the Super Bowl- it was a big marketing campaign and a lot of hype and big dollar promotions ( a whole news network-Fox was bought and created for him) The big corporations were the advertisers and they purchased "commercial time" for the Bush Super Bowl presidency. Well, the Bush Super Bowl turned out to be more like the one year XFL which flopped and all it's worthless hype. Bush was all hype and no substance and what we have now is a real bad reality show which is hosted by this moron and we are the persecuted contestants on it. This reality show can't be cancelled as his family owns the network, which is America.

Tens of Million dollars is being poured by special interest groups into the open border campaign.

As a FAIR member I have am donating what I can on a montly basis. We need to do what we can to groups like FAIR and Numberusa to help fund them.

I am making my January donation today!

Mr. Bush keeps saying that foreign workers(a term he uses for illegal aliens) are supporting our economy.Whose economy?

MCCAIN SAYS WE NEED TO BUILD THE FENCE FIRST

Then Amnesty comes 2nd in his book, who's that buffoon fooling!

Softwarengineer:

In answer to your non-retorical question: "who's that buffon fooling!"

Unfortunately that lying piece of un-American garbage, McCain, is fooling the majority of Republican voters in at least two major primaries.

Please look at Ron Paul's record and campaign (www.ronpaul2008.com); then join me (and about 1 million others) in supporting this Constitutional candidate as either the Republican candidate (fat chance!) or in encouraging Dr. Paul to run as a true Independent. Slim hope for America when Clinton and McCain are the parties' nominees, but if there are enough real Independents out there, it could happen!

HOT DAM! thats what I'm talking about! Git'R DONE!

I have never supported imminent domain for personal gain, by developers and greedy politicians, but for the purposes of national security, I believe this needs to happen!

DHS BATTLES IT OUT IN COURT FOR HOW MUCH LONGER?

Is litigation really necessary or is it a contrived way for DHS to stall building the fence forever [like years]?

SAY IT ISN`T SO!

THIS MUST NOT BE A LEFT WING ACTIVIST JUDGE!

attention all AMERICANS you have lost your country, the ISLAMIC people, illegals and Chinese spies are welcome JOHN AMNESTY MCCAIN HAS WON, now we need Barack HUSSEIN OBAMA to win since his record on immigration is BETTER than that of Mccain I kid you not ,so says numbersusa.com

NO McCAIN-NO AMNESTY!NO AMNESTY- NO ILLEGALS!!! NO ILLEGALS- NO TERRORISTS!! NO TERRORISTS- AMERICA WILL BE MORE SAFE!!!!

AMERICAN OLD AND YOUNG PEOPLE, DO NOT VOTER FOR McCAIN-HE WILL SELL THIS COUNTRY TO ILLEGALS AND TO THE THIRD WORLD POEPLE-- AMERICA WILL BE FLOOD BY ILLEGALS, GANGSTERS, AND CRIMINALS. WHY DO YOU NEEC A SUCH PRESIDENT WHO WANTS TO PASS AMNESTY TO ILLEGALS????

VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY TO STOP McCAIN'S AMNESTY--- DO NOT LET THE MEDIA BRAINWASH YOUR MIND THAT McCAIN IS A GOOD MAN, HE IS A TRAITOR WHO SUPPORTS AMNESTY, ILLEGALS, AND HIGH TAXES.

WHY DID NOT McCAIN BUILD A FENCE DURING HIS SENATE YEARS IN A WHITE HOUSE IF HE REALLY CARES ABOUT AMERICAN PEOPLE'SECURITY AGAINST TERRORITS??????????????????????????? AMERICAN PEOPLE, DO NO BE STUPID AND GULLIBLE BY McCAIN'S LIES!!!!

It ain't over yet! McTraitor will never win White House. And Dimwitts are Treason Party!

Pro Patria

Good for the government! I don't know why any self-respecting American would not want to see our borders secured. It's not about individual land or rights, it's about all of us in a sovereign nation.

I saw this scumbag's press conference. She can't speak a lick on English.

CALL ICE and demand that she be apprehended IMMEDIATELY!!!

1-866-DHS-2-ICE
1-866-347-2423

To report Adalberto United Methodist Church as possibly having violated their tax exempt status, you can go to:

http://3949.firecoalition.com/IRS/index.asp

"I hope they don't come for me" "I hope they fear God enough"

The reason that dosen't work, Flor, is that every single American has now seen the massive thongs of illegal foreigners and what they are really doing here. We have seen the 'undocumented poor' with three times the number of children that we could possibly afford to raise in a decent manner. We have seen the blatent angry demands for subsidy. We have seen the neighborhoods gone to hell. We all know of someone who has been hit by an illegal alien and left holding the bag.

I am so, so sorry that Mexico sucks as bad as it does. Go home and do your protesting there, where it is needed. The only people who fall for your lines are the people who already hate American law and order. If you people ever do 'win' this immigration thing, there will be nothing left here for your children anyway.

The church should immediately have its tax exempt status yanked!

Arrest this woman and deport her per the law!

Lets make this illegal cockroach the legasy for bush.

Chertoff's incompetence knows no limit. Any normal person would be tired of being on the front pages, having their nose rubbed in it by cheap hoodlums. What a wuss.

This is not a house of worship, but a den of thieves.

I prefer that they let her sit there, as her predecessor did. She is helping fuel anti-illegal sentiment, not decreasing it.
Everywhere in court a lawbreaker is expected to show remorse, or the sentence handed down is more severe. With her flagrant actions, she just proves to Americans that these invaders are arrogant.

AGAIN I'LL REPEAT, PUT 100% OF THE BLAME ON AMERICAN ILLEGAL ALIEN EMPLOYERS

I was reading in Forbes yesterday about the CEO of Pigrim Pride chicken and how ICE arrested a bunch of his sacred cow illegal immigrants several months ago.

The Forbes article made it clear....the employer's management has not been charged with the crime and flaunts it on MSM today as proof the illegal alien employers are basically/generally immune from American prosecution of hiring illegal aliens.

This is 100% of the reason this illegal alien sits in that church belly-aching about mistreatment.

And the same thing that happened to Elvira should happen to this lady. She's illegal - she pays the price.

JUST ANOTHER ARROGANT ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIMINAL, THUMBING THEIR NOSE AT OUR LAWS AS USUAL...

THIS WILL JUST OUTRAGE MORE AMERICANS!

The arrogance of these border crminals is breathtaking and this is what is in store for this country, on every issue the more of them enter this nation.

This "CHURCH" needs shut down immediately!!!

WHO CARES! JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL ALIEN FUGITIVES.

soon they won't have to worry since John AMNESTY Mccain will give them citizenship, the MSM has beated us blogges, who is ready to use the 2nd amendment

I remember when Elvira Arellano story was breaking that it would only be a matter of time before other illegal aliens did this as well.

ICE needs to go in and arrest this new person otherwise this is going to get out of hand quick.

We need to make illegals understand that hiding in a chruch will not protect you from the long arm of the law.

The fact that a chruch is allowing this says to me they are being policitical and should be losing their tax exempt status.

Brian

The law does not give any special sanctuary priviledge to the Catholic Church. Sanctuary has been granted in the past as nothing more than a favor to the church. It is time to kick the door down and deport any criminal illegals in this and all churches. It's time to show illegals that there is not any where to hide if you are a fugitive. It's also time to review laws that grant tax free status to churches that aid criminal illegals.

Her actions will only strenghten our resolve to do something about illegal immigration. Hopefully, by calling attention to herself, she will suffer the same fate as Elvira. Criminals, Go Home!

It is against current federal law to aid and abet those who are in this country illegally. This is not a humanitarian action but one of helping those who have no business being in this nation play victim and keep committing crimes against the citizens of the US. Those who belong to this church need to figure out where their allegiances lie. Are they US citizens working to make America a better place or are they agents of a foreign government, which is also against current federal law? There are some issues where one cannot straddle the fence and this is one. Our Constitution states there is a separation of Church and State--so don't involve yourself in matters that defy the basis of this country or don't call yourself a Church.

Just go away.

Dear Mr. Bush, oh how stupid I was voting for you twice! Just follow the law and they will self-deport. The rest who stay must be arrested and deported. That's the right and humane way to treat your citizens and those who are here illegally.

You are so full of it! The only thing we must give to these people is safe ride home!

His speech should have been this: I have made so many bad decisions and created so many huge problems for the American people, that I pledge to do as little as possible over the next year. This is the least I can do for the people who elected me.

While President Bush probably wishes he could have passed an amnesty, he said far less in this State of the Union address than he did in last year's. I thought it was a good speech: he addressed science and technology, greenhouse gases (and carbon recapture), energy independence, placing faith on our own scientists and on our own creative talents, and gave Congress an important and timely reminder about this Republic's original and innate faith in The People. This was a remarkable shift of emphasis, tone and national identity. He was also more nuanced in how he worded his language on immigration. On the face of it, there's nothing objectionable in this immigration quote in my opinion, although open borders enthusiasts will always interpret "highest ideals" to mean amnesty, and that's where the statement's nuance can definitely work against us.

But here's the thing I've been saying on this board for a long time: I agree we need to think in terms of our highest ideals. If we don't as a movement, we will have a tough, tough time making our objectives stick. By just saying "tough luck, illegals," we run the risk of becoming painted into a corner as nothing but "angry losers" and history will march on without us. That's what the pro-amnesty crowd wants and even expects, but I think they're in for more surprises. To meet our goals, we need the broad public behind us and we need to take the moral high ground, putting amnesty proponents on the defensive. We also need powerful business interests to actually want most of things we want. As Peter Brimelow recently wrote, this is possible, and I think it's already happening. There's a whole new spirit of cooperation with Mexico, and I know for a fact many businesses are angling for the new opportunities opening up in Mexico, where more Mexican labor will soon be needed. Many people flame me here for saying this, but in order to reach our highest ideals AND not have an amnesty, we need to think on a level that is also HIGHER than the pro-amnesty crowd's. And that's not hard.

Pro-immigration is not pro-immigrant, and opposition to immigration policy is also not anti-immigrant. These are all very different concepts. The next time an open borders enthusiast bashes you for being "anti-Mexican" or "anti-immigrant," ask them what's best for immigrants. If they truly cared about Mexicans and immigrants, would they smuggle them here in trucks, giving them subhuman wages and working conditions while neglecting their compatriots in Mexico, who are losing all this energy from their labor force? Neglecting the economic development needs of Mexico in order to further political and economic agendas in the United States is hardly pro-Mexican, either. Is this the American Dream or the American Way? What a disgrace to humanity you are if you say yes. Amnesty, furthermore, will only encourage this to happen again when the next generation of Americans lets down its guard. Permanent law enforcement is not the total answer here.

If people really want to uphold America's highest ideals, they'll help Mexicans earn better wages in a country where their cost of living is still lower, they will address quality of life issues south of the border, they will find (a database idea has been floated before) and put all Americans back to work, and only then will they look at gaps that can be filled by foreign workers. Canada has such a temporary worker system, and I know from visiting GOP offices that ultimately even GOP congressional offices opposed to amnesty will work towards having this program. We can quarrel on the actual numbers and terms of a deal, but I think something like that, once we get a handle on the immigration mess, will eventually pass. Again, Peter Brimelow mentioned this could be part of a deal with the business community if it splits with ethnocentric special interest allies on immigration, a split we must have. And seeing names like Cheney joining the Romney campaign, in that regard, is a good thing. Now we need to help define the debate. A broad amnesty without looking at social justice in terms of the impact on both Americans and Mexicans is morally unwise and will not uphold America's highest ideals, and that, not merely our anger, is why the amnesty crowd will fail.

On Sunday I ran across "Shipyards Fight Shortage of Workers," an AP article by Daniel Lovering. While actively recruiting and training American workers in a very thoughtful and diligent way, Shipbuilder Dirk VanEnkevort has filled temporary employment needs with workers from Mexico and Eastern Europe under the H2-B program. The idea is to retrain displaced and young/new American workers as soon as possible. I see this as an intelligent and appropriate use of a foreign worker visa system and I think it's great. Folks who have related skills and interests should check out the opportunities at Erie Shipbuilding LLC and elsewhere.

There's only one catch to this story: how do displaced workers find these opportunities? Those in the American business community who are less responsible than Mr. Van Enkevort will not actively look for or train American workers when they can hire subsidized, and often less-skilled, imports instead. That's the abuse that needs to stop, and one way to do so is to require transparency from employers. There needs to be a system, and I call it a web-facing database, but it's a whole process with Congressional oversight for posting jobs now and foreseen and for facilitating the process of seeking, training for and applying for jobs. The job descriptions need to be honest and so do the applicants, who may need additional training. This would be a modern, rational way to manage the U.S. labor market, more like a stock market, and with this will come efficiencies, a healthy national balance sheet and banking system, and far fewer loopholes for individual employers to exploit. I also think, by the way, many tech jobs can be posted as "remote" and "contracting" jobs, which could encourage more Independent Professionals, i.e., many of whom work from their homes.

With all the H1-B tech workers in the United States, H1-B true believers would think this innnovative project is underway, but leave it to Yankee ingenuity and creativity to actually cook up this idea and float it.

I noticed over the weekend that Liz Cheney joined the Romney campaign. I think this is great. I also heard a rumor that Bill Gates is moving closer to Romney. Again, I'm not going to quarrel ... it's expected, and it's a compliment to us. I know I'll be flamed for saying this, but popularity on the Stein Report blog is not my primary goal here. Folks, we NEED the powerful and wealthy on our team, even when, in the case of Bill Gates, we need to firmly press for our interests while allowing for legitimate business interests, as well. This is not mere class warfare going on here: regarding the national question, if we want a nation, then we have to behave like one. I'm not naive. I know we need to press for our objectives and never give up or wealthy and ethnocentric interests will steamroll us. But we need to press for new ways of thinking that satisfy as many interests as possible, and foremost the country's, and including the interests of the rich. That's how we will win. Never will the New York Times or anyone else tell us how The People will run this country, but we if we're going to run the country, we have to do it well, and we have to pick leaders to do it.

Last night, President Bush talked about resolving differences on stem cell research by pushing creatively into new frontiers of science. That was the right message. When forces are opposed, like the middle and upper classes, instead of bashing each other to pieces, let's struggle to reach a creative, intelligent solution.

After so much fighting on immigration, I think we have much to celebrate. The momentum is going our way, national candidates on the GOP side are taking up our banner (there's much work needed on the Democrat side of the aisle), and if last night's State of the Union speech is any indication, I think our system is beginning to sound healthy again. George Bush's legacy is looking better already, too. I, for one, am going to be optimistic and say that if we refuse to accept defeat, but also work in a spirit of cooperation, this divisiveness and bitterness in our country will give way to exciting new opportunities for the future and for Mexico, and in a few years the open borders crowd will wonder how their ideas and objectives became mere relics of history.

Millions of Americans getting their homes foreclosed, the economy in shambles, and still American soldiers dying in a third world hell hole and this SOB (son of a billionaire) comes in smiling and giving high fives to give his big speech to America. His message -"if you haven't lost your job yet and you are still earning a living wage, I'll have you living in poverty by the end of my term, as I'm gonna have a free trade deal with every third world nation on the planet." also, he continued " I'm gonna flood this country with illegal aliens so there will never ever be a middle class again" How's this for the kicker- every threat he made to middle class America was received by a standing ovation by our "representatives" in congress. Dick Cheney looked like a big tick ready to explode from consuming huge consumptions of oil profits, and super botoxed Nancy Pelosi made Joan Rivers look like Mother Theresa. Our government is too far gone for a house cleaning - what is needed is a wrecking ball and dynamite.

The only difference between bush and the rest of America is he wants it to be done humanely for the illegal cockroaches and Americans are insisting on it being settled humanely for Americans.

WHERE IS THE FENCE? bush.

THANK YOU CONCERNED CITIZEN FOR YOUR THOUGHTS

You really spent some time thinking it out and I know its tough for both you and I, old fashion liberals, to have seen the Democrats get so riled up defending overpopualtion the last decade, just because its their sacred cow immigration.

Its still overpopulation and I don't know about you, $3.00 gas and recent American overpopulation is the root cause of stagflation for my family.

I was reading in Forbes yesterday that an editor thought America was in stagflation too [but left out its clear root cause], as he summed it up quite well: I took my wife and two kids out for a night at a seafood buffet ($24.95/person), then a movie ($10.25/person)....the total bill, just for an evening out was $175. That's stagflation.

Americans can't afford anymore enironmental denial over overpopualtion anymore....its destroying our hope, wages and its simply not liberal at all. Its not conservative either for that matter.

What is it then? There's a recent book out from CNN called "Liberal Fascism"....the title sums it up.

Illegal immigration is not complicated, the sell-out politicians are the ones who make it complicated...

Attrition through enforcement, secure the border, crack down on the illegal hiring, take away the free government handouts, and no more anchor baby citizenship, and there wouldn`t be an illegal alien problem, like we have now!

BOOSH CAN SHOVE HIS AMNESTY! THIS TIME NEXT YEAR THIS MORON WILL BE GONE. BUT IF IT`S McCLOWN OR ANY DEMOCRAP, IT COULD END UP BEING EVEN WORSE.

I can't stomach this man and his term can't end quickly enough. By the way, folks need to spread the word about McAmnesty, you know, John, "AMericans wouldn't pick lettuce for fifty dollars an hour", McCain. If he is elected we are doomed. He is anti-American, period. No one cares about his forty year preoccupation with his internment anymore. That song is getting so old. There were much worse things that happened to other folks, many died and still die.
Get over it McCain!!

After I heard President Bush still trying to push amnesty, I turned on Law & Order. I can't stomach it anymore. Does any politician listen to the American people? When will we see policies that benefit Americans instead of the rest of the world? I'm disgusted.

BUSHES PLAN WILL CARRY ON WITH THE NEXT PRESIDENT AND COME TO BE . SOON WE WILL ALL GET THE AMNESTY WE SO DESERVE

Concerned Citizen, I hope much of what you say is correct. However, I have to be pessimistic. I have been working on this issue for almost thirty years, warning my "representatives" of what will come if this is not addressed. Until recently, my appeals were largely ignored. I will be stunned if we come to our senses. On the other hand, if someone had told me in 1970 that the cold war would be over in a few decades, I would have thought they were nuts. So who knows.

As for the four remaining candidates, Romney is the only problem solver in the bunch. I support him, even when I feel he is a bit dangerous on the legal immigration side. I can't vote for any of the other three.

Softwarengineer, everything you say is 110% correct. I wish the Democrat party would become more like its old, American left self. Something more like the rest of the advanced world. Heck, JFK and Truman would sound like Republicans today. I believe it will, too, when the GOP takes it to the cleaners in more presidential elections. There's no question that on the grassroots level, Democrats I speak to have the same concerns, and no matter what the background, they care about the environment, fairness, healthcare and all the rest, and they're literally appalled by the party leadership's open borders policy. But they're actually shocked that the GOP has been the same way. I'll be glad to continue voting Democrat at the local level, where they're great on land conservation and other issues, and vote for a GOP candidate. We need a reform-minded Republican, though, and that's why I've liked Romney so much because I think he has what it takes. Teddy Roosevelt once did a lot to get the business community in line. Serves the Democrat party right if their own members vote for the GOP candidate; it's the only way they will learn and change.

The editor of Forbes is right. Something that's also happening: it's threatening our banking system and the assets of the elite, which are eroding away along with the inflation. That's why overpopulation, reckless use of credit and everything else that goes with this frenzy of numbers will have to stop; eventually, as we've been saying, it will catch up with elites, too. And to a certain extent it already has.

pack your bags and move somewhere else JOHN AMNESTY MCCAIN has won the Florida primary the MSM has once again beaten us

Did you notice his terminology sounded just like two of our current candidates? Deal with the illegals in a "humane way"... sounds almost word for word like McAmnesty and Huckabuck.

I am so pissed Romney failed in Florida... largely due to those two asses in Florida... Governor and Senator Martinez...

Now, the two buddies gulianni and mcamnesty join up...

Folks, if any one of these candidates (cliton, osama, huckabuck, mcamnesty) besides Romney make it to the Presidency (maybe not Paul, but he dont stand a chance)... we can say hello to the amnesty fight once again!

On the other hand... like McAmnesty did before... closed door deal to seal the amnesy bill and ram that MF down our throats! Or Wallets/Purses!

Interesting to note that the F.A.I.R. forum seems to have
lost many of it's conservatives! There seems to be mainly "reasonable DEMS" here lately! Well, for the GOP
folks, our worst fear "boogey man" RINO Republican, McCaine seems to be gaining an edge. Pity...He is such a jerk! I'll support Romney, but never McCain !

BYE-BYE-MISS AMERICAN PIE...We will be living in a nightmare, like " Pirates of the Caribbean" Too bad
this group didn't take a serious interest in helping an
electable candidate...Like 'ol Fred or now Romney!

I assume everyone has heard the news regarding the outcome of the Florida primary. This election is shaping up to be a choice between a third term for Bill Clinton or George Bush. The real fight over immigration will take place in the Congress and it will continue to be very bitter, leading to greater diviseveness among the American people.

We need to come together as Dems and Reps and
fix illegal immigration--and by "fix" I don't mean
tripling legal immigration. I am a conservative but
I would like to reach across the aisle, so to speak,
and get a sound immigration policy passed. Our
leaders, of both parties, see money and votes. I
believe it's up to us...specifically, up to the people
at the State level to fix the problem. Washington
is so awash in special interest money that
comprehensive reform at the national level will
never happen.

George doesn't need to worry! McCain will pick the torch for Amnesty. He has a outreach director working in his campaign who was in President Fox’s administration, Mr. Mexico first Juan Hernandez. McCain is part of the washington liberal gridlock that need to go!

All of the remaining candidates are pro Amnesty except Romney choose wisely!

Twenty percent of the votes cast in FL were from independent or democratic voters, not republicans!

Sates who have lost their delegates due to the demo party rules have influenced the election by voting for Captain amnesty! The primaries aren't over yet, so get out a vote for Romney!!!

AMERICA'S OVERPOPULATION PROBLEM IS HORRIFYING, BUT CONSIDER HOW BAD FRANCE'S IS?

A Fair blogger brought up 2008 France as a horrifying overpopulation example of what not to be. I agree, but the sad American related pragmatic facts I'll list below:

1990 2006-2008 Country Fertility
Population Population Rate

249M 303M (2008) USA 2.1*
57M 62M France 2.0*
127M 127M Japan 1.3
721M 725M Europe 1.5

*France's birthrate is slightly lower than America's, but what is really startling is America's horrifying immigration rate growth to 2008, as since 1990 its +22%. France has only grown +9% since 1990. If only we had France's measly horrifying population growth (births + immigration) in America!!!!

Conversely, both Europe and Japan are showing extremely good birth rate depopulation numbers today (1.3-1.5), while although America's are subpar at replacement level (2.1), but with a simultaneous horrifying immigration add-on, exponentially increasing our population at far greater horrifying rates today; compared to France, Europe or Japan. I'd add, a sizable chunk of the immigration birth rate growth in America has been a very adverse/horrifying Hispanic impact, since 1990-2008 (3.0).

These are just pragmatic scientific numbers, no racism here at all!!!

MORE ON EUROPE'S DEPOPULATION SUCCESSES COMPARED TO AMERICA's DISGRACES

Update to previous blog:

Although Japan's population has be approximately flat since 1990, Europe has reduced their population 3.2% since 1990.

Environmental and global warming kudos for Europe!!!

What is complicated about enforcing and obeying the law? Why is it that American citizens are expected to obey the law regardless of their opinion of that law but illegal immigrants and their supporters expect to be allowed to pick and choose which laws they will obey? Why is it that Bush thinks we cannot secure our borders unless we come up with a way to let foreign workers into our country? Eisenhower was able to secure our borders and keep foreign workers out? The only thing that has changed is the attitude of the administration. Eisenhower was not controlled by and beholden to special interests, Bush is. Bush has not only broken the law, lied to the American people, and committed other impeachable offences; he has serously tarnished the office of the presidency. The end of his administration cannot come fast enough for me.