The Dems need to get serious and learn to say "no," for certain. The Democrat Party claims to be better stewards of the Federal government, but their broken borders policy makes this claim a joke.

I'm not sure about Froma Harrop's claim that the majority of Americans want some sort of amnesty, either, as those numbers have come from push polls with only two choices. In the polls with a third choice, exit through attrition by employer sanctions and other means, the majority go for attrition.

The Dems need to have a sensible-yet-humane platform that considers the fate of millions of people who will have to repatriate. That means a plan for revitalizing Mexico, foremost, and until the Dems come up with a win-win strategy like this, they'll continue to waffle under special interest group pressure and typical wishy-washy spinelessness. If a Democrat could take the moral high ground and explain why illegal immigration is bad for workers or all backgrounds, bad for the United States and Mexico, and even wrong if you want to foster true Hispanic culture in the northern hemisphere, then we'd be on the road to having leadership on the left. Why doesn't Edwards take this up? Hillary and Obama both have atrocious voting records on immigration.

Demo-rats run away from this issue as fast as they can... They spend half their time trying to reward illegal aliens, ie licenses, amnesties, and the other half running away from the issue... All but one of the democrat prez candidates favors licenses for illegals, and they all favor amnesty, and sanctuary cities... They better get their heads out of their a**, because being pro-illegal alien across the board, or flip floppin and simply ignoring the issue will be political suicide in 08.

VOTE DEMOCRAT = AMNESTY!

Oh Dear Hillar:

Dear it's okay you want to give illegals driver's licenses, credit for social security they paid why they worked illegally. Oh and yes please scream from the hilltops they deserve instate tuition and financial aid!! Oh my darling, last but not least, let everyone know you want to give illegals a pathway to citizenship!!!

OH HONEY IT'S OKAY!!!

What is wrong with the old bracero program? Why in heaven's name do we have to offer citizenship to criminals? No one who is here now deserves to become a citizen. I will not say American, because they might take the oath, but will never fulfil the requirements. They want the benefits without the responsibility. No amnesty, no legalization, no citizenship and no more anchor babies! Stop that, use workplace enforcement, cut out the freebies and they will self deport. Why can't the idiots in Washington see that?

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A well laid Immigration time bomb is ticking.
Who in that Dumacrat party, or like one on here call them the "Demo-rats".
One or many will get caught in this, quagmare, of criminally trap.
Look at what happened to Hillary.
The demo-rats are walking into a political mine-field in flip-flops.(Hey by the way that is what they do best flip flop)
But this political mine field will blow up in Hill/Bill and Barak (whatever he calls himself today)in his face. Someone, who will it be a political casuality, who will it be?
Cant wait until the Immigration heat is on.
:) someone wont get elected like they think , again who will it be?
The U.S People 7 and them 0
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She is an open borders, one worlder, no different from El Presidente, and indeed even her husband who was responsible for ALL, literlaly ALL of the so called "free trade" ageements getting passed. Free trade had been the ruin of many small nations including some large ones,(guess which). Hillary Clinton is so comprimised as a politician, that I would like to say more about her, but I don't want to be edited by FAIR. There has never been a corporation who has offered her money that she has refused.

I apologize for my spelling on the previous post. I was in a hurry to be somewhere but the whole issue has me p-ssed off.

The Democrats should do nothing different than what they are doing now. No matter what change they make they have already shown their true colors (green and red) and no matter what any of them say from here on in, I refuse to believe one word from any of them.

Candidates never change what they want, only what they say they want.

All the sell-out politicians, not just the democreeps better start taking illegal immigration seriously. It`s one of the top issues, if not the top one for voters now and in 08. The outrage is only growing across the country. Don`t believe the politicians who have all of a sudden seen the light, and have heard the American peoples outrage. They will lie and say anything to get re-elected. Once a pro-illegal alien politician, always pro-illegal.

THROW THE BUMS OUT IN 08!

well maybe they should publcize this message more espeically to "minority" people like jackson-lee who support anyone but americans

MY QUESTION TO ALL AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO WANT TO VOTE HILLARY CLINTON: WHY SHOULD WE VOTE FOR HER, HILLARY CLINTON, TO BECOME A PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY,IF SHE CAN NOT CONTROL HER HUSBAND AT HOME OVER MONICA LIVINSKY????

VOTING FOR THE DEMOCRATS-PUTING THE ROBE AROUND YOUR NECK TO STOP BREATHING..

AFTER WATCHING BILL CLINTON SPEAK AT THE WTO CONFERENCE IN SEATTLE (12/2/1999) IN THE SHADOW OF DEMONSTRATIONS [who were shot at illegally with rubber bullets], I'M HORRIFIED

The demonstrations in Seattle to prevent global environmental harms and outsourcing of American jobs were falsely perceived as "eco-terrorism" by the Democrats then and now (Republicans too).

Hillary Clinton supports the NAFTA, WTO and NAU just like her husband and the billionaire, Sorros funding their campaign.

The Democrats call "overpopulation in America" a conspiracy theory and do nothing to stop the environmental destruction of America. No, they clearly want to make it worse.

They took "overpopulation" out of the Seattle area public school world history completely. Its not taught as an evil to the environment anymore, as it clearly is. Thank the Seattle Democrats for that lie.

I think we shouldn't keep deporting the illegal Mexicans or our economy is going to fall and more families are going to be broken. Remember the innocent kids who loose their fathers to this.

Why are so many afraid to take a stand, The word is "Illegal". Went the Terrorists here Illegally?
I used to drive a cab in Westchester NY, I would sometimes pick up Illegal's from there off the books jobs, pick up their pregnant girlfriends or wife's and 2-3 other kids and take them to the ER or food shopping where they would get either medical care(No Charge) or Baskets of Food (Food Stamps).
Not to metion the jails brusting at the seams.

El Presidente is supporting her, Bobby.

I hope most of you, if not all, saw Duncan Hunter on the Glenn Beck show on Fri. night. I like Duncan Hunter more every time I see or hear him talk. He has his hat on straight about the trade agreements that are sinking this country. He is right on border security and illegal immigration. Please go to his web-site, http://www.gohunter08.com., and see for yourself. According to a 60 sec. tape message, he is going to start discussing S.P.P., the NAU, and the Superhighway. He is the only one that has had the courage to come out about this. I think he looks more Presidential than any of the other candidates, Republican or Democrat. Also he is a good speaker.

You know Marg, a Hunter/Tancredo ticket would be a winner. I honestly believe that, if, IF, they elaborated their position on "free trade" and border issues, relentlessly, from now until election time. I think they could be elected because Americans are sick of it all.(the establishment sell-outs)

VERBAL ALLEGATIONS AREN'T EVIDENCE

The open border nuts best influence technique to date is the "doncha know" type verbal evidence. They expect Americans to believe their verbal fairy tales and trumped up lies.

Well, we don't!

THIS ALL HAS TO DO WITH BIG BUSINESS GREED, PERIOD!

Like oil, there is no shortage; just some greedy people and a few malcontents who want more.
As for those quoted who say this study is flawed, well, if there is a shortage, where are all the hard-working illegals, who only do jobs Americans won't?
In jail? In the welfare line?
It is high time for the businesses and government in this country, to get a handle on this issue and provide legal workers to those who need it, while not screwing the American public. Are you really all that incompetent?

Why didn't they just ask us? We know it's not true...what we do know is that growers are more chintzy, more exploitative and less willing to follow the rules...
Of course, when you have the government failing to do anything to stop them, why should they bother raising wages? Why should they follow the rules?

Of course theres's no shortage. There are probably hundreds of thousands of Mexicans, and other nationalities, waiting aroud at Home Depots thourghout the nation and can't get work half the time. I have no problem whatever, with theses people doing ag. jobs, seasonally, as one poster pointed out, and then MUST return to whatever nation they are from with their savings,etc. This is what Switzerland, and other nations do, they allow seasonal workers, and when the season is at an end they must go home. Perfectly rational. It would demonstrate to these folks, that you are NOT A CITIZEN, YOU ARE HERE AT THE INDULGENCE OF THE AMERICAN CITIZENRY. Furthermore, if you are caught demonstrating against the citizenry of this nation and it's policies, your guestworker status is revoked and you are immediately deported. The U.S. would get a new found respect instantly.

go to any project round up all the guys playing basketball, go to prison take all the crips and bloods and send to pick these fruits that simple, no labor shortage just laziness shortage

WITH ALL THE FREE TIME Softwarengineer AND COMPANY HAVE TO POST BRAINLESS INFORMATION ON THIS BOARD THEY NOW ARE READY TO WORK ON THE FARMS . GO AMERICAN FARM LABOR . YA RIGHT THAT WILL BE THE DAY. ILLEGALS ARE THE ONLY ONES OR PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE UNEDUCATED OR BRAINLESS SO SO EDUCATED PEOPLE THAT DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE BRAIN POWER LIKE Softwarengineer AND COMPANY WILL BE THE ONLY ONES TO DO THES JOBS

Posted by: BUSH IS MY MAN on November 5, 2007 01:20 PM

EVEN CNN'S OPEN BORDER TYPE SANCHEZ FROM "OUT IN THE OPEN" WAS QUESTIONING THESE BUFFOON ORGANISED CRIME AMERICAN FARMERS HARSHLY TOO

The buffoon farmer wouldn't answer a simple question on why he won't pay legal Americans decent wages. Sanchez clearly repeated it twice and the organised crime farmer just side stepped the simple question [he refused to answer on the grounds it would make him look guilty].

Here's a portion of the Sanchez interview last night with the buffoon Organised Crime American farmer:

"...SANCHEZ: Steve, I understand that we have got the other Steve back now, Steve Scaroni, the farmer, with a $50 billion -- $50 million operation -- pardon me -- who's moved it south of the border.

You know, there's a suggestion on the table here that maybe what you should have done is, rather than gone to Mexico, is just start paying people a little bit more, and you would have been able to come up with 500 workers on this side, in the States. How do you respond to that?

SCARONI: Well, Rick, first of all, I want to thank you for taking on this subject. We hear too much of the other side.

And that's simply not a true statement. It's -- I'm amused by when academia and folks who maybe don't even know what a head of lettuce is make these assertions that are truly -- completely false. I'm 50 years old. I had five-way bypass surgery a year ago. Yet, I felt it was so important to diversify into Mexico, that, at 50 years old and after open-heart surgery, I have, in a sense, started over again down here in Mexico.

(CROSSTALK)

SANCHEZ: I know you have got a little noise in the background, so let me sneak in and ask this question again, because maybe you didn't hear it. Why didn't you stay here and just pay your workers more?

SCARONI: Rick, we have tried all those combinations, all those things that Steve mentioned. We have tried paying higher wages. And the numbers he's using in his study, I had a chance to skim that study before we came on air here. I pulled it up.

And it's simply not -- there's a lot of false statements in there. And I guess it goes back to like what you asked. Who are you going to believe? I'm a guy that was born and raised in a farm. I'm telling you, at 50 years old, I had to readjust my whole operation. It's been a great personal sacrifice. I have had to move from my home of 50 years. I have had to leave my wife behind most of the time. My kids don't see me as much.

And it's because of my fear that I'm going to lose my work force in the United States, because the reality is, these studies that these people cite, they don't strip away the legality of the work force that's out there. ..."

The rest of the URL:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/05/oito.01.html

NO AMERICAN WORKERS TO HIRE... THAT`S JUST THE SAME OLD GREEDY BIG BUSINESS PROPAGANDA... THEY DON`T WANT TO PAY AN AMERICAN WORKER A DECENT LIVING WAGE, WHEN THEY CAN PAY AN ILLEGAL ALMOST NOTHING, AND THEY KNOW THEY`LL GET AWAY WITH IT, THANKS TO OUR USELESS SPINELESS GOVERNMENT.

The key is ultra-short-term visas - 1 month; 2 months; 3 months; even 6 month. This will allow a worker to enter the country; do a harvet or other seasonal project; and return home to be with his family and spend his yankee dollars.

Under the current system we have a huge pool of illgal and undocumented, with no right, and the American people pick up the tab for the social fallout in healthcare, education, housing costs, and wacky unlicensed and uninsured drivers on our highways.

Plus, once these farm workers become legal - they are going to move out of acgriculture - to higher paying jobs. This accomplished nothing. In short, it's stupid.

Just because something is defeated doesn't really mean anything- I heard the moron in the white house this morning still ranting about the endless pursuit of free trade at all costs (that is at all costs to the American workers) as the main mission of the Bush administration. I don't think we have heard the last of this maniac by any means. His definition of when peace will come to the world is when there is no more American middle class. The world will be a stronger more prosperous place when middle class Americans have had their jobs either outsourced or insourced- This idiot's "mission accomplished" goal is the death of the middle class in America and a return to the dark ages. The multi national corporations have paid astronomical amounts of money to elect Bush and they want a return on their investment- The North American Union. Bush WILL give them what they want before he is out of office .

Mrs. Feinstein has done enormous damage to the State of Caliofornia because of her non-support in stopping illega limmigration. She has sat up in Sacramento, the State Capital, year after year, for 15 years, and has watched the ethnic interests gruops, reconquista Senators and congressman, continue to trash the state by supporting Mexicos invasion. Anyone who says it isn't an invasion is wrong. How many Mexican embassies are there in the U.S. now? Forgive me, for me it's a rhertorical question, I know the answer, wha amazes me is that so many Americans ,COULDN'T CARE LESS.

I saw in the media that during the fires in southern California, some of the firefighters were convicts, specially trained, and earning their usual pittance, So if they can be trusted to put out fires, instead of setting them, why couldn't they harvest the crops? There are something like 2 million in prison right now. Of course, the lifers and other violent individuals would not be allowed out, but the lesser offenders could.

In Illinois we have an alternative to jail called 'boot camp'. Why not do it in a rural setting and call it 'fruit camp'? If you saw the heights these kids go to to put up grafitti, you'd know they could climb a ladder to get what's ripe.

WELL SAID -- Bobby on November 6, 2007 03:37 PM. "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL"

feinstein was reelected exactly a year ago shes fine for now, it is graham and mccain we need to target

Most of the "Americans" that need to get 10 to 13 dollar per hour jobs are originally from Mexico, as legal immigrants, long term illegals, or Amnesty folks from the Reagan period. Frankly, I consider anybody here 10 to 12 years or more to be at least "half-way Americans". It is the LATER group who came since the turn of the 21st century and all the habitual criminals that I would deport...An that's millions and millions of them. The Feds are bragging that they are breaking records in deportation, something like 27,500 ....Big F----ng deal! That is a joke. Start deporting, as if a war had just ended.Millions moved out on thousands of buses, a $500 bonus check. cashable only in their Mexican state capital, and send at least half of the 20 million home. After that is done on a very large scale,
we should build a guest worker program around the remaining long time illegals, and give them the right the register to work here for 18 months, then return home for 6 months and alternate that way until retirement. They could get social security if they work long enough but must retire in Mexico. No SSI or Medicare would be offered. No voting rights here EVER, unless they go home for
3 full years and apply for a fast track for normal
green cards! That's what FRED THOMPSON or DUNCAN HUNTER ought to propose...and it really isn't a REAGAN-LIKE AMNESTY... as they mostly would never get the vote or full retirement package. I know you purists will hate me for saying this, but it
is the kind of "FINAL SOLUTION" THAT IS POSSIBLE!
A final solution ejecting tham all is like moving
a million colonists to Mars, folks! Get real!

Bobby, I know exactly what you mean when you talk about Americans who couldn’t care less. Take my sister and brother in law for example. They sit at home in a house paid for by her prior two husbands. They spend most of their time watching game shows and reality shows on the TV. They practically worship the Bush family and then they have the nerve to deride me for spending time getting involved with groups like FAIR and NumbersUSA who are trying to stop the invasion that their hero Bush is working so hard to bring about.

Good grief, we are being overrun because of people like my sister and brother in law who think that empty-headed game shows like “The Price is Right” are more important than the USA itself!

another stupid comment by bush hugger,ralph,among others.