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May 18, 2007
Dan Stein on CNBC: Senate Amnesty Compromise Bad for America Posters at the Fire Society are looking for a Constitutional lawyer to file suit on the gov't. We should all join and see if there is any way we can help. Pls post their URL on other sites. http://www.firesociety.com/forum/thread/13391/Do-We-Have--a-Constitutional-Lawyer-in-Our-Mist-/ Posted by: Ella on May 18, 2007 03:52 PMGREAT JOB TODAY DAN!!! You made that immigration reform supporter look like a COMPLETE BUFFOON!!!! I loved your ending comment on either American Companies obey our laws or we have no country. You're my hero Dan. Posted by: Softwarengineer on May 18, 2007 04:02 PMBen Johnson says to stop the name-calling, yet he's the name-caller with that "Dan Stein's dim view of the world comment". Go Dan. Blow Ben. Posted by: kerthialfad on May 18, 2007 04:04 PMIt's time to put our money where our mouths are. You can fax 14 key Senators for $15. http://www.grassfire.org/19042/offer.asp?rid Posted by: Ella on May 18, 2007 04:45 PMGood job Dan and thanks for sticking up for the American middle class. I'm so tired of the cliches and talking pts these open borders "Chamber of Commerce" type hacks always spit out. As Dan correctly points out, what about OUR pensions, quality health care, good schools, wages etc.?? Even though I don't compete with illegal alien workers, I am directly impacted due to the deteriorating schools, bankrupt hospitals, roads that can't be paved because there's no money etc. We can't lose this fight! Tell your family and friends to stand up and shout: NO KENNEDY/KYL AMNESTY, NO Z-VISA'S, BUILD 700-MILES OR MORE OF FENCING, GO AFTER EMPLOYERS & END CHAIN MIGRATION !! Posted by: Fed Up on May 18, 2007 07:18 PMDan is right on the money when he says that this amnesty goes against the grain of what we as Americans have always considered to be fair and just. When you start undermining those beliefs and principles you are playing with peoples psyche and that is a dangerous, dangerous game. It has an enormous potential to expand into physical resistance at any time, for any reason. Posted by: veteran on May 19, 2007 09:51 AMhere is a great commentary by Ronald Maxwell that puts everything into a real perspective. http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55779 Posted by: veteran on May 19, 2007 10:16 AMIn listening to the new programs as they interview the folks who are in contest, the bad guys are telling us the fence is going to be longer. As I understand it the physical fence is going to be shorter, and we need to work to dispel that idea, and we need to tell a lot of editors where to look for an examination of the new Immigration Bill. In addition, the folks on television are suggesting this is a .. far.. right wing issue, and it is not of course. Lastly, my expertise is high, but I believe almost any high school student can build a laser that would blind the cameras and sensors that are proposed for the 'electronic' fence. And while the illegal aliens cannot afford to do that, the coyotes and the Mexican Mafia can and will. So if the fence moves to an electronic fence, it is so vulnerable it is silly. Call Radio Shack and ask if the laser can be built that would blind the sensors. Posted by: ohwellII on May 19, 2007 10:32 AMWhy was La Raza involved in this bill, and given Veto power over this bill? What would all the illegals do, if God forbid, the US had a terrible recession or even depression? Probably "abandon ship" and forget the country that gave them (illegally!) jobs, welfare benefits, etc.
Thompson speaks out against amnesty. Establishment conservative journalists including George Will, Rush Limbaugh, and even, by golly, Hugh Hewitt, speak out against the amnesty.
Saxby Chambliss likewise gets booed in Georgia for selling out. ------------------------------
By the way, have you guys seen the photos of Lindsey Graham, Mel Martinez, Saxbe Chambliss, and Johnny Isakson yukking it up with Ted Kennedy. I saw them on a post on freerepublic.com.
WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE THIS, WHO STAND UP AGAINST IMMIGRATION AND ILLEGALS IN AMERICA, THAT IS WHY, AMERICAN PEOPLE TAKE AN EXAMPLE FROM DAN STEIN AND ACT TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY AGAINST IMMIGRATION AND INVASION OF ILLEGALS, BY CALLING YOUR SENATORS, MR. BUSH, BY DONATING MONEY TO FAIRUS. ORG, AND TOM TANCREDO, IT IS TIME TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY AND PUT IT BACK ON ITS TRACKS!!!! NO AMNESTY! Thank you again Mr. Stein for giving our fight a voice. We are trying desperately to be heard and I have typed my fingers to the bone in my attempts...I have called my senators numerous times...yet I have not received an answer from either of them... Posted by: takn on May 21, 2007 11:33 AMMolly, You are so right when you ask why La Raza gets any say in OKing a bill when they are not part of our government, but are representing the corrupt governments of Third World narco states. What would our Senators and Representatives do if the Klan demanded they have the ability to make changes in laws referring to affirmative action? They'd throw a fit and talk about the horrible dividing this would cause for race issues in America, plus there would be no taxpayer funding for any group touting the "white" agenda like La Raza gets for touting the agenda of this ethnic class. I find it all like some surreal fantasy these politicians have that by rewarding 35 to 45 million criminals or more, Americans will just sit and grin and take it in the shorts. They couldn't be more naive and I hope they have the ability to deal with what they will sow. They are taking away our human rights when they expect US taxpayers to fund this, watch our country and our culture be destroyed by people who are here to suck us dry. That is what parasites do--they feast and feed until the host dies and then they move on. Let's move them all on first by deporting back to their homelands that are so concerned about their well being while they are here in America. Send them home so those politicians can take care of them--just like their mommies and daddies did when they didn't teach them how to act in polite society. People who act like criminals, walk like criminals and talk like criminals are just that--criminals. One cannot do enough politically correct speech to make any of this look like sanity. Liberals don't appear to have the ability to live in reality--too many martinis and drugs, I guess. Posted by: jaded on May 21, 2007 07:34 PMLa Raza and most every other "brown" organization gets millions of tax payer dollars from the Federal Government via the efforts of their like-minded Congressional sponsors. La Raza will receive about 10 million dollars each and every year for their anti-american programs disquised as programs that "lift up" the under privileged. Money laundering has its place in America - especially when its tax payer money being handed out by corrupt politicians with an agenda far worse in scope than even La Raza can come up with. We can sue the Congress and we can stop this nonsense via the 9th and 10th Amenedments, but some of the commentators are correct - we do need a scholar in Constitutional Law to lead the way and help us to save America. Jeff Sessions is the guy - but for the moment - he is tactically engaged. I am certain however, that he must know of some Attorney who would meet the requirements that are necessary to put an end to this nonsense via the Courts. God Bless the efforts of all Americans and legal Residents who view this bill and its authors as treason and as traitors. Posted by: DESERTHEAT on May 23, 2007 02:40 PMJaded and Molly, ditto. In fact LA RAZA and all the other fifth columnist groups in this nation, on behalf of, especially Mexico, should be deeply investigated for treason against American citizens. For interfering in their small towns and trying to impose laws other than those "Americans" set up to govern themselves by. It would be so easy to defeat the intentions of these people.( EX. bilingualism, natinonalistic favoritism, etc.) The solution is Ghandian peacefull non-cooperation. Wherever you live and LA RAZA is trying to impose something on you or your town, refuse, object, become disagreeable, don't cooperate, go swimming, fire an elected representative (Lindsay Graham?) who is sucking up tto them, etc. Utter and complete Ghandian non-cooperation. We still live in a relatively free nation. No one can force you to eat at a Mexican place, for example. No one can force your kid to learn Spanish for example. Complain about press 1 or 2, all the time, everytime, you have to. Why not be hard on them FOR A CHANGE. Posted by: Bobby on May 23, 2007 06:47 PMNew Report on H-1B: Low Wages for Low Skills "There is much discussion of reorienting the legal immigration flow It will keep wages down and taxes up for Americans, as we absorb the services and costs it takes to provide all these people with the things their meager wages don't cover. Posted by: Born American on May 18, 2007 02:45 PMONLY ABOUT 4% (APPROX 3100 EMPLOYEES) OF MICROSOFT'S EMPLOYMENT SECTORS ARE TECHNICAL The rest of that blowhard globalist company is lower skilled/paid sales and business type positions. So why does Bill Gates go to our Senate begging he needs all these 100s of thousands of H-1Bs and illegal aliens pouring into America??? He's simply off his rocker!!!! Posted by: Softwarengineer on May 18, 2007 04:07 PMThis study serves as further proof of what many of us have known for some time. That is, that the H-1B program merely provides high tech firms and other types of corporations a “legal” means to substitute low wage foreign slaves for skilled American workers in a variety of job functions. If corporations were really concerned about hiring the “best and brightest”, then there would be no need for H-1B at all, since businesses can already hire aliens of extraordinary ability (in Business, Science, and Tech) using the O-1, O-2, and O-3 visa programs. The H-1B program was created by legislation that was passed by a Democrat Congress in 1990 and signed into law by then-President George H.W. Bush (a Republican). The program was expanded in the late 1990s and then again in 2000 when the base cap was tripled for a three year period before falling back to its original levels. This expansion was passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by Bill Clinton (a Democrat). Do you see how both political parties are complicit in this sell out of American middle class workers? This CIS report seems to confirm what I have said for years: Tech businesses are hiring low-level low-paid workers and then assigning them to higher paid jobs with no increase in wages, thereby avoiding hiring US workers. It isn't just about wages, however. Working hours and conditions also are a factor. Posted by: D Flinchum on May 19, 2007 09:33 AMSoftwareengineer, I responded to your challenge in a different thread but you never responded back. Give me your email address and i am gonna send you a copy of my paycheck. Boreal These people won't quit, wanting more illegal aliens and immigrants until they get the wages down close to what it is in Mexico. Also I believe these We knew that people like Bill Gates lied through his teeth to insist the importation of workers was vital...especially since most of them were educated here... THE POOL OF UNEMPLOYED AND UNDEREMPLOYED AMERICANS WITH COLLEGE DEGREES IS GROWING EVERY YEAR Of course you won't see these numbers in the MSM unemployment rate [they won't be tracked until the adult gets a job]; but here's a Vault College Career Information excerpt from their website: "...According to studies by the National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE), only 45 percent of college graduates have jobs waiting for them when they graduate, but about three-quarters find work within six or seven months after graduation...." The rest of the URL: http://www.vault.com/store/book_preview.jsp?product_id=34264 About 3/4s of American college graduates find jobs in about a year. What kind of jobs? Hamburger flipping? Welcome to Walmart? They don't say. The misleading MSM only tells us there are 18% more jobs in 2007 for American College Graduates than previous years, whatever the Hades that means. See the proof: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0925/p09s01-coop.html The HORRIFYING part for parents and college graduates is the MONSTER college loans and credit card debt a lot of their kids have racked up to graduation. The parents will have to pick up the tabs? Assuming about 25% of College Graduates in America are unemployed each year, it CLEARLY piles up each year with a new yearly crop of graduates; creating a continuously growing MASSIVE GLUT of college educated workers. Not to worry, the jobs have increased 18% this year for college graduates....lol. Besides, we need more guest worker H-1Bs and illegal aliens destroying the Middle Class wage base and causing continuous unemployment and underemployment of college graduates in America. Pathetic!!! Posted by: Softwarengineer on May 21, 2007 12:57 PMBOREAL: POST YOUR PAYSTUB ON MY WEBSITE http://softwarengineer1953.spaces.live.com/?_c02_owner=1 Just respond with it to the May 21st article on UNEMPLOYED AMERICAN COLLEGE GRADUATES. Posted by: Softwarengineer on May 21, 2007 01:44 PMI have worked in software development for over 20 years. I can testify that the vast majority of the H-1Bs that are hired are not worthy of the energy used to power the computer monitor siting in front of them. In fact many/most of these workers do more harm than good. I have had to clean up after these people for years. They really do not understand the fundementals of software development. They meander through the day often surfing the Internet, brushing up on their skills by studying in their cubicles, hoping to gain some skill set before they are exposed for what they really are -- a fraud. The funny thing is that due to a lack of management skills, they often stay in the job for years before either their co-workers get sick of busting their a** covering for these people or management is faced with an obvious conclusion that these workers have contributed nothing (or worse). One has to question then, how did they get in? How did they qualify as "highly skilled" and "educated"? The fact of the matter is that NO employer actually validates the credentials of these prospective employees. Does anyone out there actually believe they get on the horn to validate the information on their resume? Do you think they actually investigate the college that they attended or if they even attended? The reality of the situation is that most companies have inept management. They do not understand the software development process. They do not actually measure productivity in any meaningful way. Over the past 20 years, I have yet to meet a software manager that actually has a software background or degree!! You can not manage what you do not understand. Everytime I see an H-1B sitting in a cubicle I get disgusted at the thought that it could be an American college graduate looking to make his way and contribute to the success of the company as well as our country. I often wonder where those graduates are. My guess is that they are at the local Lowes or Walmart, stocking shelves. My sympathy goes out to them. I do pray that this scam is brought to an end and the young people in this country are available to find the opportunity they so deserve. Legal Immigrants Offended by Senate Plan "Congress' new immigration plan was bad news for tens of thousands The lowlives break into our country and now they have the nerve to complain. Hear that Congress? You would think by now, the idiots on the hill would realize how they are being railroaded by manipulative ingrates! It is just unconscionable that our officials think this is the best measure they can come up with. I almost puked when one of them said, "This is how my eighth grade teacher told me government should work!" Oh, please, and there's nothing like being stuck in an outdated time mode, is there? They will see in years to come, that this bill, if passed, only hurts America and Americans. It is absolutely disgusting that they bleed inside for pompous lawbreakers and don't have the guts to take the bull by the horns and send illegals packing! Posted by: Born American on May 18, 2007 01:33 PMI would be mad as hell too!... Our government don`t care about LEGAL immigrants, just like it doesn`t care about it`s own citizens either, it only cares about the illegals for future votes, and big business cheap labor. Posted by: American Me on May 18, 2007 03:24 PMIllegal immigration makes a mockery of every single law there is. Only greedy Americans can't see this. As I have said before and will debate anyone on, using illegal immigrant labor is NOT CHEAP. If you doubt me, find a family owned roofing firm, for instance, or any other one that doesn't use illegal labor, they exist, and compare the price of the job. There won't be any significant difference. The reason is, the illegal alien employer is not passing on the costs he saves using these low paid people. He is pocketing it. This is true for any business or employer you care to cite. That is why I said greedy Americans, only I should have said, greedy, lawless, Americans. CANADA AGREES WITH THESE LEGAL AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS TOO This country refuses to accept amnesty in any form, its simply not fair to the ones that had to wait LEGALLY in line. See the proof: http://news.usti.net/home/news/cn/?/biz.industry/2/wed/cb/Ucanada-illegals.RVAO_GOR.html Posted by: Softwarengineer on May 18, 2007 04:20 PM"He was especially offended by the plan to give preference to migrants with degrees and skills," the AP reports. " LOL. He is OFFENDED by Americans wanting to at least let people in who will be good for Americans (ie educated indivuduals rather than dith diggers). When did these foreigners (esp mexicans) begin thinking we owe them something or they have ANY say in our country. This is what happens when you appease people time and time again. They begin to think they can DEMAND anything and get it as if they are a cistizen of our country. Time to tell mexcio and it's citizens to p*ss off. [FAIR edit] Enough is enough. This is our country so BUTT the hell out!!!! BTW, did everyone see the marches in Los Angeles right after the bill was announced? The ingrates were marching behind a banner that says "Mexican Nationals." Offended ........ Lets talk about who is offending whom. You know what the problem really is here don't you..... socialism/altruism/collectivism and environmentalism ... The Capitalism bashers hate the freedoms created by Capitalism. This is a move to KILL freedom and liberty and the American way of life. The lawful legal citizens of this great country have been convicted and sentenced to a life of misery and poverty and it's called SOCIALISM. A Thank-you to Ayn Rand for her teachings. AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE HIGHLY DEPEND ON A GOOD LIFE,TOO, WITHOUT ANY ILLEGALS HERE,THAT IS WHY, DEPORT ALL THESE ILLEGALS BACK, FINE THEM , AND BUILD A GOOD STRONG FENCE NEAR MEXICO-AMERICAN BORDER!!!!!!! AMERICAN PEOPLE FIRST!! GREETINGS JEFF, WELCOME TO OUR BLOG Nice take. I's add, good Socialism with everyone at Middle Class wages can work when everyone gets $20-30/hr; like Europe, with DEPOPULATION in place. Free housing, medical and such for everyone sounds workable; with plenty of net pay left over too. Socialism becomes a HORRIFYING Facist form of Communism in America when OVERPOPULATION foreign slaves are paid $6/hr and the shrinking Middle Class subsidizes the Elite's OVERPOPULATION slavery. No one can afford housing or healthcare in this evil Communist Fascist scenario. We all go down the toxic environmental tube. Posted by: Softwarengineer on May 21, 2007 03:48 PMHasn't anyone considered the health consequences of having all of these uneducated people invade our country? How many of them have been immuinized against TB, measles, chicken pox, mumps? How many have HIV/AIDS? No one checks on this... Posted by: Sharon Caldwell on May 21, 2007 07:01 PMIf We Have a Low-Skill Labor Shortage, Why Are Wages Falling? "Someone should ask the Post's editorial board that question. . Yes, it is true. Where illegal labor is concerned, the writers of hundreds and hundreds of magizines, newspapers, etc., have suddenly forgotten economics 101. Just a bunch of weak, phony people so afraid of their jobs, that they are willing to print outright lies. I'd quit and get my self respect and some integrity back, or go write for the gossip tabloids. Posted by: Bobby on May 18, 2007 04:10 PMHERE'S A REPEAT OF MY 5/9/07 BLOG, IT SUMS THE LOW AMERICAN UNEMPLOYMENT RATE LAME EXCUSE FOR NEEDING MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS UP WELL, THE LAME EXCUSE IS A COMPLETE JOKE AND MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO ECONOMIC SENSE: "...AMERICAN HOUSING TAKES A DIVE AND WHERE DOES ASIA PARK ITS MONEY, LET ALONE, THE IMPORT FOREIGN DEFICITS TO ASIA COLLAPSE TOO FROM AMERICA??? Its not just Mexico that gets snubbed monetarily when Americans stop spending, its Asia too. See the proof: http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/193098/ Dr. Roubini has also asserted the American unemployment rate for illegal aliens from Mexico laid off from construction do not necessarily show up in our recent employment statistics; this MASSIVE illegal Organized Crime slave trade downturn in the recent American construction industry [manufacturing of appliances, materials, etc, too] is masked by the Elite MSM and evil Globalists as "non-existant". Let more OVERPOPULATION in, they say...." Posted by: Softwarengineer on May 18, 2007 04:32 PMA Travesty Of A Mockery Of A Sham(nesty) Updates throughout the day "An amnesty is an amnesty, no matter how it is packaged and spun. More reactions: "I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S." -- Mitt Romney "In short order, the system will be overwhelmed. Whatever minimal fraud detection and prevention safeguards might be erected won’t last long in the face of hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of applications and petitions to be adjudicated." -- Bill West, former INS official. "We're doing everything else in this bill that's cockamamie and out of the world, so let's just excuse the fraud that exists here. We're already excusing the illegal status. It's like I said yesterday, the thing about this that just doesn't make any sense is that we're treating the illegals as though we are doing something wrong, as though we've been bad and we're guilty of something. We want them to forgive us! " -- Rush Limbaugh "Don’t be fooled. Prerequisites to citizenship or permanent residency status are irrelevant to whether this bill rewards law-breaking or will encourage more in the future. Its key feature is rather that illegal aliens, according to press reports, can immediately have their illegal status wiped away with a temporary-residency permit, available virtually upon demand. That’s it. The rest is noise." Heather MacDonald, Manhattan Institute "According to Bloomberg, Democrats expressed doubts over provisions to create a temporary-worker program and to reduce the emphasis on uniting families when deciding which legal immigrants are admitted to the U.S." -- Redstate "The reaction to the immigration announcement was swift. Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker and perhaps future presidential candidate, denounced it on Sean Hannity's radio show as 'a sellout of every conservative principle.' The Heritage Foundation agreed. Congressman Mike Pence issued a statement calling the bill an amnesty." -- James Antle, American Spectator. "We should scrap this 'comprehensive' immigration bill and the whole debate until the government can show the American people that we have secured the borders — or at least made great headway. That would give proponents of the bill a chance to explain why putting illegals in a more favorable position than those who play by the rules is not really amnesty." -- Sen. Fred Thompson. "That conservatives would be upset with the immigration deal was predictable. But the degree of the indignation has been remarkable. Even before there was any deal announced, Slate’s Mickey Kaus was calling the immigration debacle 'Bush’s domestic version of Iraq.'" -- National Review roundup of conservative reaction. John McCain decreed yesterday that his immigration bill would be the law and that there would be no dissent. My new Townhall.com column, 'Damning The Jam-Down,' deals with the extraordinary repulsiveness of such a stance, but in practical terms, the only way to respond is by contributing to a serious opponent of McCain, either Mayor Giuliani or Governor Romney. Or both. If you don't like being treated like a political serf, fund the opponent of the candidate who embodies contempt for the Republican base . . . Simply put, Senator McCain's contempt for you is complete. React accordingly. The Senate's GOP leadership has not yet followed Senator McCain over the cliff. I hope they wake up in time to realize the party-splitting peril they are in with the proposed jam down on the table." -- Hugh Hewitt. "Next week, I'd suggest you make sure to pack an umbrella because you're going to be hearing from a lot of Republican senators who are going to be peeing all over your leg and trying to tell you that it's raining. That's because the Senate GOP is about to betray America by voting for Ted Kennedy's amnesty bill." -- John Hawkins, Right Wing News. "Does this empty promise of the amnesty/deportation trade-off sound familiar? Why, yes, yes it does. Let me boil it down to fundamentals: Bush-Kennedy amnesty is the J. Wellington Wimpy plan: 'I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.' Amnesty is the hamburger. Enforcement is the payment that will never come. I've reported this reality over and over and over and over and over again . . . It was true in 1986. It's as true as ever in 2007. Wimpy will get his amnesty burgers and the Beltway fools who keep deluding themselves about the false promise of immigration enforcement will be left empty-handed. Again." -- Michelle Malkin. "Without modifications the proposed bill could devalue the importance of family reunification, replace the current group of undocumented immigrants with a new undocumented population consisting of guestworkers who will overstay their visas, and potentially drive down wages of American workers." -- Sen. Barack Obama Someone in the know should start impeachment proceedings against George W. Bush, and the rest of us should start a revolution. Congress should be held accountable for their "in the dark" bill and I hope every American remembers the names of those responsible and boots them out of office. Posted by: Born American on May 18, 2007 11:00 AMThey snuck in illegally took down our flag raised theirs, demanded that we give them our country and the only thing the government asked was "Would you like in-state tution with that?" Robbie Lee I know it may seem futile at times, but we NEED TO KEEP MAKING THOSE CALLS! (I have made ten already today.) This is what Roy Beck from NumbersUSA just said: "Many Senators are telling staffers and other Senators that they are inclined to vote for the giant Kennedy/Bush amnesty bill .. next week because they say they have been surprised at how few phone calls of protest they've gotten during the last two months of highly-publicized negotiations to create the amnesty. They are concluding that the citizens of their states just aren't all that worked up about granting an amnesty. And they're interpreting that as a green light to give corporations the huge new supplies of legal foreign labor they desire. These are Senators who have voted against amnesty in the past." Prove them wrong! Obviously we were misled by turncoats such as "Amnesty Jon" Kyl. Make those calls now! We can still stop this if the silent majority awakens. CAPITOL HILL SWITCHBOARD: 202-224-3121 Posted by: Fed Up on May 18, 2007 11:23 AMSomebody pinch me because I can't believe this is happening. Our elected officials just pulled the rug out from under the people they were sworn to protect. If this passes there will be a mad dash by both Democrats and Republicans to appease the illegals for future votes. The prozac-popping citizens of this country will be left in the dust wondering how this happened. What a sad state of affairs. Also, did anybody catch O'Reilly give his endorsement to this amnesty last night? Posted by: MiddleClassWhippingPost on May 18, 2007 11:35 AMRush has the best quote there. Why are WE apologizing to these border jumping law breakers? We did nohting wrong, they did. Yet we owe them something? We owe them a 1 way ticket home with the promise of incarceration if they come back. Bizarro world, I tell ya. What is wrong is right and vice versa. I heard kennedy (that low life scum) bemoaning we must get control of illegal immigration. Not because of the harm to Americans, but becasue "peopel die in the desert every year". Too damn bad. They should not be in the desert trying to sneak in the country anyway. And he said "these poor people must live in the shadows in fear of deportation". Well duh. that is becasue they broke the damn law idiot. Plus, they don't live in the shadows, they jsut don't pay taxes. They couldn't be more in our face making demands if they tried. God I REALLY REALLY REALLY HATE that guy. I wish nothing but the worst for him. Anyone in Massachusetts able to expaling why in the world you guys continue to elect this buffoon? He has done more harm to this nation than anyone in history. Including Benedict Arnold. Hell I have more respect for Mr Arnold than kennedy. Posted by: Weary Citizen on May 18, 2007 11:35 AMIt has been commented on elsewhere, and it is utterly true, that whatever softshoe routine we are treated to by Washington, those "12" million illegals carried signs demanding AMNESTY. If they get what they have demanded, they will understand that they have been granted AMNESTY. Any word smithery is only a diversionary tactic on our part; And that, my friends, is only the beginning; because we are not dealing with kindly people grown up in butter balmed suburbs here. We are dealing with people who have more in common with New Guineans than us. Not only is this completely insane, but what's to stop people all over the world from charging across the borders, chartering planes and flying in, or arriving by mass boatloads, right now? Heck, if I wanted to get into the US, you bet I'd be trying right now, so I could be here illegally ahead of the legislation and get rewarded with that Z-Visa. I'm surprised people aren't doing it right now. Airports clogged, both coasts with ships landing on the beaches, a massive line of folks pouring across the border. Posted by: Antiquarian on May 18, 2007 12:14 PMDon't just sit around and gripe. DO SOMETHING! I've spoken with several staff members who said their Senator "will be reviewing the bill this weekend." I stressed that although Sens. Kyl and Kennedy aren't calling it amnesty, we all know that's what it is, and that it should be rejected!! Here are some direct numbers to call. Many of the Senators' DC office lines are busy, so either keep trying or call their state offices (and remember, even if you don't live in their states, we have family and friends and know people who do!) -Craig Thomas (R-WY) 202-224-6441 -Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) 202-224-5292 -Trent Lott (R-MS) 202-224-6253 -Lamar Alexander (R-TN) 202-224-4994 -Orrin Hatch (R-UT) 202-224-5251 Sorry, Weary Citizen, Kennedy is still the 'breadwinner' for all the aging 'progressive' middle class Mass-holes who find it much more comfortable to pretend that it's still the 1960ies and they just yesterday won civil rights for all. Mitt Romney is the only person in my lifetime who challenged Teddy's hold on the seat. Ted lost about 35 pounds and sobered up for that one. I sometimes wonder if Mitt hadn't challenged him, if he would have drank himself to death by now. I was born in Boston and have lived in Massachusetts all my life. I apologize to everyone for that fat communist traitor. I'm so embarrassed by this whole thing. Posted by: Bill Dexter on May 18, 2007 12:25 PMI just tried calling my senator's office a couple of times and got busy signals. I hope because of people like me calling in to complain about amnesty. Also, check the picture on page A4 of today's Post of Senators rejoicing at yesterday's deal. Mel Martinez looks pretty happy for someone who says he can't support it because of the family provisions. Posted by: Ali on May 18, 2007 12:26 PM"Many Senators are telling staffers and other Senators that they are inclined to vote for the giant Kennedy/Bush amnesty bill .. next week because they say they have been surprised at how few phone calls of protest they've gotten during the last two months of highly-publicized negotiations to create the amnesty." - Fed Up How the hell would they know? The damn issue has hardly been in the news! The traitors in the Senate and the White House have been so sneeky about it that hardly anyone has heard about what they're discussing. Even the protest rallies this month got little attention because they were such a flop. The first major media attention the amnesty got was YESTERDAY, when the "bipartisan" agreement led the news. All of a sudden the phones in the senate offices are ringing off the hook. I tried calling every last one of John McCain's offices, and got a recording in D.C. and a busy signal at the other 3. KEEP UP THOSE PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS!!! Posted by: Craig on May 18, 2007 12:28 PMThis about votes and money pure and simple. Each party is falling over themselves to secure the hispanic vote for 2008 and beyond. However, historically, this does not work. Back in '86 Regan amnestized millions of illegal aliens but afterwards they didn't vote Republican. As a matter of fact, hispanics swung Democrat in 2006. Parties have such short memories. This issue is bigger than party loyalty. Posted by: Jeff on May 18, 2007 12:28 PMI say if you want to give the United States to Mexico, then I am all for giving Mexico to China. Fed Up, does it surprise you that the officials are lying, just to add insult to injury? Clearly the battle has now entered a new phase. I have been told that the Senators want to pass the bill before Memorial Day in an attempt to cut off angry opposition from their constituents when they return to their home states during the Memorial Day recess. Their reasoning is that their constituents won't bother them about the bill (over the recess) if the bill has already been passed. To the best of my knowledge, there will be a cloture vote (which is a motion to proceed) on the bill on Monday evening. That means we can still stop the bill from going forward in the Senate if we can convince 40 Senators to vote against cloture. Here is what I’m doing. Between now and Monday I am going to call all 100 Senators and voice my opposition to the bill and ask them to vote “NO” on cloture. If anyone reading this wants to do the same, the Washington DC phone numbers for the Senators are located at: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm Don’t be shy about calling Senators outside your own state. If the staffers complain, just explain to them that each Senators vote on this issue has an enormous impact on your quality of life. If you are not on a flat rate calling plan (and you are concerned about your phone bill) then try calling the capitol switchboard toll free at one of the following toll free numbers. 1 (800) 828 – 0498 Most of the toll free numbers have been busy all day today, but if you do get thru to the switchboard, then just ask to be directly connected to the Senators offices. If you get any interesting feedback from the staffers then please post it here. Remember, you are part of history. Good luck! God bless America! I doubt this bill will have success to make it to the Senate floor and out to the House intact. However, there will be many parts that make it and this will cause the "pull factor", having folks jump the border now or violate so they will be inclusive. Sadly. the poor guy who waited lawfully get the short end of the deal as well. The good part>>>>>>>there will be massive changeover in Congress election day for anyone who supports this trash! Posted by: mike on May 18, 2007 01:52 PMBill Dexter. Don't blame yourself and don't apologize for Uncle Ted. It's not your fault. I totally feel your pain. I'm from Chicago and I have to look at Turban Durbin and the boy-wonder, Barak Obama, every time I turn on the news. Seeing those two screws just makes my will that much stronger. Posted by: MiddleClassWhippingPost on May 18, 2007 02:00 PMSOME LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS CAN BE SO DISTRUCTIVE TO THE NATIONAL INTEREST Let us suppose that on December 8th, 1941, that In that instance, the act would be seen as treason What we have in an AMNESTY of this scale is The public and those loyal to the Constitution mustspeak up, in warning the Senate of the grave act of Sedition and Treason that they are commiting against the people and Constitution. There is still time for the Senate to understand the reality of their indiscression. Extended national debate and analysis must be applied. This is not business as usual Leglislation, NO, THIS IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY! As a loyal VETERAN and citizen, shown to uphold the Constitution I, for one, publicly declare my right and responsibility to call for INDICTMENT of any body who would, through legalistic means, destroy the I read all these posts and I really get irritated that these politicians do what THEY want not what WE, the people to whom they are responsible to, want. When a foreign country, foreign politicians, illegal immigrants who are not legally in this country demand and get what they want it's getting to be the last straw. In all honesty, I sometimes wonder at what point AMERICAN CITIZENS will revolt against the politicians. There WILL be a point and it isn't that far off. Citizens will start taking matters into their own hands and a revolution (remember many, many years ago - Boston, the British, et al) the citizens of this country took it and took it and finally decided enough was enough! It is just about there again. We're missing the bigger picture here, which is truly blood curdling. Do you realize we've got a majority of folks in Congress who are either stark, staring insane, contemptible cowards or truly evil at the core? From both parties. These are people who are ready to be the real "surrender monkeys" and hand over the US to enemy interests without a second thought, willing to see citizens of the US victimized, maimed and killed. Why should that surprise us? They have allowed it to happen to our Armed Services for the benefit of corporate and foreign interests. Why not the civilians? Let that sink in. Posted by: Antiquarian on May 18, 2007 02:21 PMWe were lulled into a false sense of security by the Senate. We were told that this type of legislation would not make it to the floor. Low and behold there it is. We must not let the House do the same thing to us as their rhetoric is similar to the Senate as far as opposition is concerned. The Senate fight is not over either. We must put pressure on them like they have never seen before. Let's take a deep breath and think about our strategy. Then follow through with zeal like never witnessed before. It's time for a "full court press". Posted by: voiceoreason on May 18, 2007 02:22 PMThis is a Travesty, it is disgusting, keep calling your Senators, and remind them of one thing said: “There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." --Theodore Roosevelt, 1919 Now is the time for all Americans to put Tancredo/Hunter on the map the Soverignty of the United States Posted by: Yvonne on May 18, 2007 02:25 PMYesterday we saw proof that we are becoming a third world nation. Basically we saw a political coup take place- the only thing missing from the picture of our "president" and senators were the military uniforms. A democratically elected government that is based on of the people, for the people, and by the people has been overthrown and is to be replaced by a multinational corporate dictatorship that will be the North American Union. I'm sure we will see many more Mexican troops on what use to be the United States soil- they will be used to enforce the corporate dictatorship authoritarian rule. Anything is possible now. Maybe we will see our financial assets frozen or confiscated as a new financial system is put in place. As the new Latin-America flavored North American Union unfolds maybe people will just start disappearing. Maybe we are seeing now the real reason why Bush and company want the Guantanamo Prison to grow even bigger- it is going to be housing many English speaking Americans- maybe our neigbors, friends and family- maybe us Posted by: Future Day Laborer on May 18, 2007 02:29 PMThis disaster is a travesty on the American people!... These traitor politicians (Kennedy the drunk and Boosh the head traitors) just blatanly ignored the majority of the American people, but that`s what they do best... It`s time too hold these nation destroying devils accountable... If the republicans ultimately pass this disater they will destroy the party forever... This country will be a one party system run by evil like Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid... Say goodbye too the America you once knew, and hello too the third world, unless you get on the phones, faxes, e-mails, whatever it takes too stop this travesty! Posted by: American Me on May 18, 2007 02:34 PMthis is how bad things have already gotten in this country: http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?id=36174&siteSection=1 Posted by: ty on May 18, 2007 02:35 PMHey folks, once again it's CRUNCH TIME! You bet I’ve been calling as many Senators as I can. I’ve gotten lots of busy signals and full voice mails. So I’ve decided to send faxes when I can’t leave a voice message. Even if the SCAMNESTY becomes law THE ILLEGAL INVADERS WILL ALWAYS BE ILLEGAL AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED! I WILL NEVER ACCEPT THE ILLEGALS AS PART OF SOCIETY! NEVER! Some conservative folks are wondering why Bush and the GOP leaders would side with the Democrats on this. Well people, the answer is pretty simple really. It goes like this … BOTH THE GOP AND DEMOCRAT LEADERS ARE OWNED BY THE BIG BUSINESS CRIME BOSSES WHO WANT TO FLOOD THE COUNTRY WITH CHEAP FOREIGN WORKERS – LEGALLY AND ILLEGALLY – FOR THE SAKE OF OBSCENE WEALTH! Face it folks, Washington DC is not where the power is at these days. The REAL power is on Wall Street and in the corporate crime boss boardrooms. Posted by: Marc on May 18, 2007 02:56 PMHey Steph, Great post, and thanks for the info. I was emailing Senators' staff members last night until about 1:00am. You can find staff members email addresses at: www.outsourcecongress.org Some email addresses are invalid, but I've received several acknowledgments from staff members. Try emailing the Chiefs of Staff. Here are some responses from the phone calls I made this morning. Sen. Craig Thomas (R-WY) has a press release on his website that criticizes the Kyl/Kennedy amnesty bill. I called his office and said that I hope he votes against it then! Sen. Orrin Hatch's office said he will be reviewing the 1000-page bill this weekend very closely. The staff member said the "problem was the Democrats," but I advised that (some) Republicans are complicit in this, and told her politely, firmly that Sen. Hatch should reject this costly amnesty bill! On another front, in terms of talk show hosts and personalities, Bill O'Reilly is a total sellout and supports amnesty, BUT Rush Limbaugh, Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrich, Al Rantel (KABC radio), Doug McIntyre (KABC), firmly against it. Feel free to add to this list AND most importantly: KEEP CALLING, EMAILING AND FAXING CONGRESS!! Posted by: Fed Up on May 18, 2007 02:57 PMSURRENDER! That`s what these useless traitors are doing. We don`t know need immigraton (amnesty) reform, we need the laws we have now enforced, and the border secured, period! These liars will come up with all kinds of nonsense to try and trick the American people, but amnesty is amnesty morons, and we are not as stupid as you think. It all comes down to cheap votes for the dems, and cheap labor provided by the repubs, that`s the true immigration reform, not what`s best for America, because this bill is a disaster for this country, and their will be fraud everywhere. That`s why I don`t vote for any of these despicable people. These politicians are a disgrace to America and the American people. To them American citizenship is only worth 5000 dollars! Posted by: Independent Voter on May 18, 2007 03:13 PMI have not been able to get through to my senators in 2 days. Busy each time. I am guessing they are inundated. I called that snake martinez's office and the staffer asked for my zip code immediately then when I said Texas she immediately cut me off and said I will transfer you. I said no becasue he is the leader of the GOP (and the WORST choice bush could have made) and I want to leave him a message. She just transferred me ASAP. Heavy hipanic accent so I bet she is tired getting an earfull from republicans and ture Americans aobu this disastrous bill. My guess is the senators are getting hit hard to oppose this TERRIBLE legislation. Keep up the pressure. And we will kill this turd bill as most of these guys will be fearful of the backlash at election time (their only concern, certainly not what is best for America). As I have said, if this POS passes I am dumping the GOP and registering as an indendent. If enough repubs do it a 3rd party will arise to fill the need or the repubs will stop this moderate nonsense and get back to core conservative principles. I am so mad I can't see straight at bush and the rest of the traitors in DC. Posted by: Weary Citizen on May 18, 2007 03:22 PMSEAN HANNITY ROCKS !! He said his sources tell him DC offices are flooded with calls against amnesty. Looks like the sleeping giant MAY have been awakended. Hannity said he has never seen an issue where the political elite is so out of touch with ordinary conservatives and Americans. He is also repulsed by the secretive nature of the amnesty talks, trying to rush it through with no committee hearings, no fiscal impact statements, correctly said it weakens enforcement, emboldens lawlessness , and amounts to AMNESTY! This is the defining issue of our times! So keep making those calls!! DON'T LET UP! Posted by: Fed Up on May 18, 2007 03:44 PMDOING NOTHING MAKES MORE SENSE What percentage of the illegal aliens in America are going to go back to their mother country, pay $5000 and obtain a Z Visa???? How about 0.0% of them. So what. In sanctuary cities like Seattle, the illegal alien employers are all laughing their heads off. They don't ask for citizenship proof in these places, so why should any go back home???? This type of bill is just more foot dragging on employer enforcements. Here's the AP News excerpt: "....The bill would allow illegal immigrants to come forward right away, but they could not get visas or begin a path to citizenship until the border security improvements and a high-tech worker identification program were put in place. After that, illegal immigrants could obtain a renewable "Z visa" that would allow them stay in the country indefinitely. After paying fees and fines totaling $5,000, they could ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of households would have to return to their home countries first...." The rest of the URL: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/immigration_congress;_ylt=AsE_3D2C52Fo1jfoBK58CPtQuk0A Posted by: Softwarengineer on May 18, 2007 03:46 PMSteph and Marc, thank you for the numbers, it is crunch time. All the comments are so right on. Everyone on this post is really sharp. We have to spread the word to our grandpa, grandma, mother, father, friends, casual friends,ect. We have to call and call and call and make it known we support nothing but complete border security and employer enforcement. When some of the young and not so young people return, whenever from Iraq, these senatorial whores would'nt even assure them of a job in a chicken factory. Kyl is a traitor, if Arizona re-elects him, come on. For all of the loyalty Americans have shown to these rotten people, they are in a rush to destroy America and Americans future. I never liked Rush Limbaugh on immigration issues, but what he said is true and has been evident to so many people so long. What took him so long? How he could have helped if he had been on top of this earlier. The same goes for Hugh Hewitt, who I despise, he has carried the Republican parties water for years and years and used to make light and even fun of those people who would call him with mmigration concerns. We have two talk show host's in Southern California, John and Ken, some call them shock jocks, but they are really knowledgable guys. They have constantly warned about Amnesty, seeing what massive illegal immigration has done to California. Wherever you live, if you care about this nation--get the word out, even if to just two other people who are in the dark, which is where the MSM keeps them. Why anyone has any loyalty left to Bush and the whole Democratic Party blows me away. Posted by: Bobby on May 18, 2007 03:52 PMSet up web pages for the 2 senators in your state if you have a web page, or start them. Examples are the following: If you do a blog or regular search on Senator John Warner amnesty or Senator Jim Webb amnesty they pick up one or both of these. Set these up for the 2 senators in your state. List promises they made and link to them if possible. Jim Webb promised to vote against guest worker. This plan has an adjustable guest worker cap. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070517-7.html "Sets a cap of 400,000 on the temporary worker program, which can be adjusted up or down in the future depending on demand." This means no cap. If your Senator has promised no guest worker, then show them this. Put their name in the headline with the word amnesty and hold their feet to the fire. Link to others doing the same. Do this now to get it in search engines. Take ownership of the web presence of each of your senators on amnesty. Make a permanent record that won't go away on the web. Posted by: Old Atlantic on May 18, 2007 03:56 PMI have been e-mailing, writing and faxing Kyl and McCain because I live here in Arizona and amnesty will not be accepted......I'm ready to MARCH!!! I am very, very upset that this is happening! What will it take to wake these people up. I guess the recent murders of Police Officers on our border was not enough. http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/KMSB_20070516_br_policeattacked.7676677d.html Where is Homeland Security? Where is our military? Is it not the job of our government to protect us from invasion? Do we not have laws? and.... Has anyone said anything about Anchor babies in this bill? Knock, knock.....anyone home? Posted by: Kristina on May 18, 2007 04:02 PMOne of day soon these politicians of ours are going to be worried about more than just voting backlash. Posted by: Terri on May 18, 2007 04:05 PMI couldn't get through to my senator's DC office. I called numerous times, and it was busy each time. Either it is because they are inundated, or they have taken the phones off the hook. Finally I called a local office instead and left a voice mail. Posted by: Hal K on May 18, 2007 04:30 PME-MAIL THESE TRAITORS AND THEIR STAFF DIRECTLY...
This isn't really surprising in that the Senate did this last year and we had no reason to expect that this year would be any different. Still the images of Kennedy and Martinez laughing it up turn my stomach. Of course this is amnesty: complicated and convoluted, but amnesty just the same. With regard to the Senate compromise, Senator Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, said, "It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law." I called my Senators (Warner and Webb). I spoke to a statffer last week for Warner and I left a message on Webb's machine. I also called Senators Graham and Hutchison. Graham's line to his staffers was busy and the voice mailbox was full. Hutchison's telephone didn't answer. Keep the pressure on. Send e-mails; send FAXes, Call your Senators. Put a scare into these people before we lose our country! Posted by: Stuart Jones on May 18, 2007 05:23 PMGo to Sen. Cornyn's website and read his press release about "Immigration Reform" : He says he has "serious concerns with the principles outlined in today’s announcement" although he said "there will be an opportunity to introduce amendments to this legislation, and I expect there will be a number of areas where that will be necessary.” I called his office and said that based on the principles I have read, this bill is TERRIBLE, amounts to nothing more than amnesty, and should be rejected. I said that no bill is better than this garbage! Call him and other Senators and keep the pressure on! Enforce existing law, build the 700-mile fence, and reject this amnesty plan! p.s. Sean Hannity still whacking the amnesty bill hard; said it insults our intelligence. Posted by: Fed Up on May 18, 2007 05:43 PMMy prediction is that, after a few days, when the corporate conspirators in Congress who re-served up this abominable S:2611 clone receive the full fury of the American majority, they will either be fried alive in their shoes, or miraculously discover that they've changed their minds. Posted by: Gary on May 18, 2007 05:46 PMthanks for the link American Me. this is great. we can NAIL their ENTIRE staffs with one simple e-mail. if we hit 'em all, they can't say they didn't get the message! Posted by: ty on May 18, 2007 05:49 PMWE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED!!! This isn't over yet, folks. Keep HAMMERING the Senators'phones, faxes and email. Also don't forget to let the members of the House know how you feel, because if it passes the Senate, that's our only backup. On the phone (if you can even get through), they will ask for your zip to prove you're a consituent, so go here for zips: http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/citytown.jsp Tell all your friends and family that they have to finally do something, or we're going to lose this country. What we need to do now is stall this thing one more time, and then the Presidential election will be the focus. Posted by: another steve on May 18, 2007 05:56 PMJames Fulford at Vdare relays that a Senate staffer has said we may not see the bill before its voted on. Only bigots and racists need to see the law they vote on first, right? Isn't that what Stalin said? Real zealots, I mean lawmakers, know Truth without reading it. Truth comes from Kennedy. Call your senators. If you can put up a blog entry with your senators name in the title and the word amnesty. Put up a post here with a link to it. Posted by: Old Atlantic on May 18, 2007 05:56 PM Try getting in touch with every veterans group If our laws had been enforced in the first place WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM NOW!! If this proposed bill becomes law the population of foreign nationals in this country will double very quickly because most of the illegals that will be legalized will send for their spouses and children to come join them if they are not here already.If people think our schools,roads,cities and towns are overcrowded now,imagine the future if this asinine bill is signed into law. There is hope that the House of Representatives will defeat this,so please contact your congressperson in the House as soon as possible and tell him or her where you stand. They have to face the voters every 2 years, so maybe some will listen. Posted by: Dan Phillips on May 18, 2007 11:47 PMMY MASSAGE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE: AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHERE IS YOUR ENCOURAGE OR AN ACTION TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY??? WHY DO NOT I SEE YOU MARCHING ON THE STREETS TO PROTESTS AGAINST THESE ILLEGALS, MUSLIMS HERE WHO ARE INVADING THIS COUNTRY?WHY DO NOT YOU HAVE MORE WHITE CHILDREN, INSTEAD OF THE DOGS OR CATS?? I FEEL A SICKNESS TO SEE HOW THESE ILLEGALS ARE MARCHING ON THE STREETS,BUT THE WHITE PEOPLE ARE WORKING HARD TO PAY FOR THESE ILLEGALS. PLEASE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, DO SOME AN ACTION: CALL YOUR SENATORS, BUSH AND TELL THEM TO OPPOSE AMNESTY, DONATE TO FAIRUS. ORG, AND TOM TANCREDO, THEY ARE YOUR PEOPLE TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY FROM THE INVASION OF ALL THESE ILLEGALS, AND FOREIGNERS, IF YOU A HAVE A CHANCE ,MARCH ON THE STREET BY HAVING A POSTER WITH NO AMNESTY TO THE ILEGALS. I HAVE MYSELF MANY STICKERS ON MY CAR TO STOP AMNESTY AND TO BAN ALL IMMIGRATION, DO IT THE SAME, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT, HAVE MORE CHILDREN, LESS YOU HAVE, THERE IS A BIG CHANCE TO INVADED AND DESTROYED BY THE NON-WHITE PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT IT AND DO SOMETHING TO SAFE YOURSELF!!! Posted by: jack on May 19, 2007 07:12 AMFiresociety.com is trying to find lawyers to start bringing suit afainst these traitors. Might be worth checking out Posted by: jmac on May 19, 2007 01:18 PMThe senate has betrayed the US of A as a nation and is betraying American citizens with this legislation. While it is certainly still important to write, call, fax, and email senators regarding one's discontent it is now time to start thinking about civil disobedience and mass marches against illegal immigration and the selling out of America by the Senate and the President. Obviously these people don't feel they answer to us anymore. If they don't answer to us anymore, then do we really have a government or a nation anymore? And if they don't feel they have to answer to citizens anymore, why should we feel we owe taxes or anything else to the government? It is time to start planning and acting on plans for revolution. It is time to remember what 1776 was about and time to act again against tyranny. In imperial Rome the emperor was guarded by the Praetorian Guard. On a few occasions, the guard took it upon itself to relieve the empire of the emperor (Caligula, I believe). We need a Praetorian guard now to relieve us of Jorge Bush. And if there is no Praetorian Guard equivalent then we must push for impeachment or do whatever is necessary to rid ourselves of the evil known as George Bush. Now is the time to begin preparing for Mexican War #2. If more illegal alien Mexicanos come into the US in the millions that is what will happen. I have no doubt because I'm of Mexican descent and everyday I live and work amongst illegal aliens from Mexico. Trust me. They are locusts. All they want is to take whatever they can from here. They have an entitlement attitude that knows no bounds. All of this is leading to a another Mexican War. Are US citizens ready for this? Are American citizens of Mexican descent ready for this? Are they clear about where their loyalties are at? It's time for individuals to start asking themselves these questions. If you are someone who calls yourself Hispanic, Chicano, or Mexican-American where do you stand on this? When the second Mexican War starts (actually it's already started) what are you going to do? On which side will you fight? Posted by: Yolanda Troncoso on May 19, 2007 04:43 PMThe NY Times ran a shameful editorial. The Z-visa is a essentially a green card, since the alien can live and work in the US without chance of deportation. The waiting occurs within the US!! Very bizarre arrangement. In my own humble opinion, and due to past experience, I want to reassure everyone that all these good senators and representatives who at this moment have "grave concerns" and who are even speaking out against this bill are doing this only to make us believe that someone IS for us. I personally am quite concerned that this is just a ruse to allay our fears and that, at the last minute, they will all "give in" to the "inevitable" that they have all conspired to give in to behind our backs. To let someone keep what they stole--even if they have to pay a "fine" (ha! some fine considering what they are to get in return for that "fine"!), IS amnesty. Letting a criminal keep the item he stole and enjoy its use while working out some pitiful "penance" is a fool's idea of "non-amnesty". These people we have voted for have no conscience, no heart, no morality, and certainly no love for us and the very country in which they live and "rule". May God reward them richly according to their deeds...which are traitorous. Posted by: J on May 20, 2007 12:29 PMKeep passing on the links to everyone you know. We can't give up the pressure against this because as soon as the lull of summer takes our attention away, that's when the projected 800 pages of amnesty will be signed... www.congress.org/congressorg/home/ http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/sen... http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml www.fairus.org www.numbersusa.com http://www.minutemanproject.com/ http://www.saveourstate.org/index2.html http://www.protectourborder.net/ Capital Switchboard 1-866-340-9281 Capitol Operator: 1-202- 224-3121 One of the best things I have seen by a commentator was Glen Beck. He read a statement by Bush on the "Compromise Amnesty bill, balled it up, and threw it at the camera; saying, " I don't buy it MR. BUSH! Well we don't buy it either, Glen. Posted by: marg on May 21, 2007 02:51 PMYolanda, good post. I have noticed this sense of entitlement you speak of. It creates a feeling of ill will even when one does'nt want to feel that way. Many of the things you wrote have been forgotten, long ago, by millions of American citizens. At best,they only see history as isolated facts and cannot understand the real human suffering that was the American Revolution. People should watch the movie The Patriot, it shows the human sacrifice, by many who never lived to enjoy what they fought for, but passed it on to us. Instead of treating it like real jewels, we treat it like paste, costume jewelry. In stead of removing those politicians who continually abuse us we reelect them. Posted by: Bobby on May 21, 2007 03:59 PM |
toward ''highly skilled' workers, the kind of workers admitted by the H-1B visa program. That visa, which is theoretically temporary but often serves as a stepping-stone to permanent residency, is widely used by high-tech employers and is the frequent subject of debate as available slots are snapped up within hours and lawmakers call for higher limits," says CIS (Center for Immigration Studies). "A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies shows how, far from the being a source of highly skilled labor, the H-1B program now operates mainly to supply U.S. employers with cheap workers. Analysis of data from the Department of Labor shows that very few H-1B workers are 'highly skilled,' and that their wages are well below those of comparable U.S. workers."
of poor Mexicans who depend on a U.S. guestworker program for temporary jobs in agriculture and other seasonal work, such as landscaping and construction. Millions of would-be migrants have been holding tight to President Bush's promise that they could one day apply for temporary visas to get a glimpse of the American dream . . . Edmundo Bermudez, a 36-year-old from the northern city of Durango, said the plan rewards those who have already entered the United States illegally, while shutting out those who stayed home hoping to gain legal passage. He was especially offended by the plan to give preference to migrants with degrees and skills," the AP reports. 
The Post's editorial on the new immigration bill comments on the 'annual flow of 400,000 to 600,000 low-skilled workers needed to satisfy the demand for labor.' Wages in the jobs typically filled by these immigrants (custodians, restaurant workers, nannies) have been stagnant or declining over the last quarter century. To those who believe in markets (which in other circumstances includes the Post's editorial board), this implies that a large flow of immigrants is not needed to fill the demand for labor," says Dean Baker with the American Prospect.
The guest worker program will surely enrich employers, but will exacerbate the downward trajectory in the economic status of poorer workers . . . The bill neatly summarizes the intellectual flimsiness of the Bush administration --- a flimsiness that has cost us dearly in so many other areas. Perhaps they can convince themselves otherwise; that legalizing the status of illegal immigrants is not an amnesty; that the laws of supply and demand can be repealed when it comes to immigration; that we will trust them to secure our borders in the next two years when they haven’t done so in the previous six. But we all know that, in the end, their promises are a sham, a travesty, and a mockery of what immigration policy should be about," says Prof. George Borjas of Harvard of the Senate amnesty bill.
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