Congratulations, I guess, to the National Democratic party on making this election be about the war in Iraq and not the war in this country.

So now what? More taking money from people who earn it and giving it to people who don't? More importing of people to fill the already crowded job market and social service rolls? More regulation of American small business and more ass-kissing of big international business? More government suppression of northern European culture and subsidy of third world culture?

Okay. Then what?

Well if George Bush and Nancy Pelosi think that it's a good idea to let 100 million family members of guest workers come into America and have babies on our Medicare system and our tax increases I'll just support it all the way. After all, he has made such good decisions in the past, how would you not help but support him.
Oh wait, people voted democratic because they hate his guts.
Oh wait, people didn't vote democratic, they voted against republicans because they hate George's guts.
Well, it seems that George must be an arrogant, self induced, legend in his own mind to think that he can pass anything but gas.
America shed that president and all his ideas with Tuesday's vote. We told him a year ago that if he didn't pass border security we would cut the republicans throats with the vote, and we did!
When, he passed the fence bill with no funding for it, he insulted Americans up to the ears. I believe that security first is still the priority for the intellegent individuals in Congress. It's become obvious that if he fills America with Mexicans he could pass his secret North America Alliance: "Which is what he is manipulating the immigration reform to do in the first place. "
George: Everybody hates you. Can you see what you did to the Republican Party and come out in the daylight? If it was anyone else they would hide for months and then gracefully resign from the party. If they had a dozen of you George, the whole party would be doomed. Corruption, the reason the republicans lost. Don't look for a guest worker program. LOOK FOR SOME INDICTMENTS, AND SOME IMPEACHMENTS, AND SOME RESIGNATIONS, JACKASS.

A truly comprehensive plan would start with ensuring a middle class on both sides of the border. After all American unemployed and underemployed workers are accounted for, including students, then and only then is there any place for guest workers.

I've laid out the rough math on this board before, but the actual need for guest workers, if we are also investing in Americans and technology, is far lower than the number of people living in squalor in the United States. I'd rather see Mexicans at home in Mexico, in their own culture, working, taking classes and learning new skills, while American businesses reach out to displaced Americans. To do the latter, we would need an orderly system not like the Federal jobs database, but so far the United States remains technologically backward in this area, despite the influx of tech workers on H1-B visas.

This tripe quoted below is what the WeaklyStandard and the WSJ are saying about illegal immigration.

"[The president] also realizes that, for the illegals already here, mass deportations are impractical and would spell political suicide for the GOP. Hence, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is trying this week to garner more support for a bipartisan plan that would put these illegal workers on a path to citizenship if they pass a background check, pay fines, learn English and satisfy other requirements.
This is derided in some circles as "amnesty" -- a scare tactic thrown around to end discussions -- but the 11 or 12 million illegals already here are hardly likely to come out of the shadows if they know they will be deported."

Whatever happened to law and order in the US when we turn a blind eye to criminal behavior? So by their flawed reasoning if we had say 20 million murderers, rapists, drug dealers, etc... roaming the streets we should just throw up our hands and ignore their crimes because there's just too many of them and besides they're potential voters anyway? How insanely stupid have we become as a society to let this continue?

YES! YES! YES!
At last there is hopes for humans like us....Go Dems and pass the amnesty......once for all treat us like humans....We undocumented workers do all the work what Americans don't want to do.....Above all they want to keep us as illegal to benefit from us....This will solve all our prolems....Amnesty for all....

"once for all treat us like humans"

On this point, I've always wholeheartedly agreed, as anyone who's been around here knows. Any worker in the US must earn a wage that matches our cost of living and living standards, as well as meets tough OSHA regulations. It doesn't matter who the worker is.

The thing is, the post-1986 illegal human trafficking trade, if legalized, would immediately place political power in the hands of the now-legal workers, who could and should collectively bargain for their worker rights. If the US government wants to eliminate the US middle class, and double the number of angry people by replacing them with exploited "documented" workers, then the government will see what sort of groundswell that causes, and what will happen to the greedy employers in North America who don't care about human workers.

OVERPOPULATION IN AMERICA IS THE DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN CURE-ALL

Here's their stupid Economic Success Formula leading us to ruin:

W (average wage) x N (number of workers)= I (total national income)

The brainless globalists have it all figured out, just increase "N", reduce "W" and "I" still stays the same.

There's a flaw with their thinking though, as follows per current federal income tax tables:

T1 (income tax collected from high wage I) > T2 (income tax collected from low wage I)

The only way to make T1= T2 is to reduce all our wages and increase all the graduated tax rates.

God Help Us

You guys have to stop whining.You have cost us a majority. All the YAHOO'S who rejected a commonsense approach to immigration lost.Mike pence who tried to get us out of the quagmire but was shouted down won his seat,

Look at the grave yard of the repblican party and name for me all the casualties, Hayworth, Chocola, Nothrtup, Graf, Hostteler, etc have all lost and lost by margins. Be careful what you pray for, you might as well get it, Prayed for Amnesty it might be on it's way. American never rejected Bush, they rejected him caving in to extremists in his own party and that's what those rejecting comprehensive reforms are.
It's a sad day for our party and if we do not re-define ourselve we are headed to a permamanent minority status, high time we kicked the likes of Tancredo out, by the way where is he?

Adrienne Shelley surely is glad for you, too, espanol. She extends her thanks to Boosh and all amnesty lovers.

There is a HUGE X FACTOR that is coming to light.
If: Nancy Pelosi is for the American worker, she can't be for the guest worker. I'll tell you why. "IF, we raise the minimum wage, there is a good chance that there would be millions of Americans that would be able to go off of welfare to make a living. It should be something that a study needs to be made, but, if people on welfare are going to finally make enough to pay for child care, we have an X factor. Surely, no politician is going to risk putting millions of Mexican citizens in jobs that Americans would take, and lower our tax burden, without a study being done. I think that $6.75 to $7.00 might be enough, especially if there are incentives for child care given.
I am for a change. And, a change for me is to see the government talking about helping Americans. I really want to see the government talking about helping Americans, getting involved with the lower class American citizen and training and helping them. I don't know why George Bush: 1 day after the election is talking about helping Mexican citizens instead of American citizens? It's really strange.

"The only way to make T1= T2 is to reduce all our wages and increase all the graduated tax rates."

And Corporate America goes down with the Titanic, while the band continues to play for the upper class. Actually, comps in Corporate America (e.g., retail and tech) have been dismal recently, despite the existence of masses of subsidized labor. As the game plays on, additional masses of labor have an increasingly lower effect on top-line GDP, and continue to stress the system to the breaking point. This is a Marxist's dream, but not the American Dream.

The cost basis of the United States is high, and since this is the first time in history a nation has tried to go from advanced to underdeveloped, the globalists who don't have a destructive mentality have no idea what the "readjustment" will be like for the wealth of corporations that are losing their customer base. In fact, the American consumer drives global demand, suggesting global instability is on the horizon.

The misjudgments here are mind-blowing, and a lot of it comes down to "inbred" thinking among the new "manager class" of bureaucrats.

espanol writes... Amnesty for all....

If this happens, America will see it's second Revolutionary war. As long as there is a second amendment and citizens bear arms, this amnesty will never happen.

What the hell is going on with George Bush? The ink isn't even dry and he's talking about how to help Mexican citizens? What's wrong with American citizens? Why isn't he talking about helping American citizens getting off welfare by raising the minimum wage? Why isn't he talking about Americans taking the jobs that Americans haven't been able to afford to take? Did Mexico save us from some nuclear disaster when I wasn't looking? We are the #1 outlet in the world for their drug pusher Vincente Fox. That's what they think of us. They are ruining the minds of our youth, ruining our schools, ruining our hospitals, spending our medicare, and the first thing George has to talk about is Mexico? Is George Mexican?
We republicans that voted democrat because we didn't have another choice want: The President of the United States of America to talk about helping Americans. We shouldn't have to hear 1 word about helping Mexicans for 5 years. We have done more than anyone ever to help Mexico in the last decade. We need to get off of Mexico. We need to stop helping Mexico. I don't even believe I'm writing this. Is anyone else sick of this moron?

JORGE BOOSH GOT HIS SECRET WISH... NOW THE FENCE WILL NEVER BE BUILT, AND HIS SHAMNESTY MAY BE CLOSER... AMERICA GET READY FOR THE ILLEGAL ALIEN ONSLAUGHT... TIME TO TURN UP THE HEAT FOR 08!!!

FCannon,

You offer excellent insights as always. Under no circumstances should we allow any kind of amnesty/earned legalization for anyone who enters (or has entered) this country illegally. Such a reward would certainly cause widespread social and economic chaos. Anchor babies should lose their citizenship retroactively, and we must absolutely stop the insane practice of giving free health care to illegal aliens and their families. If we cut off the free health care for illegal aliens, the prices for health care and health care insurance would fall to their natural market levels, which, in my opinion, would make health care coverage more affordable for individuals and businesses of all sizes. Enforcing severe punitive sanctions on illegal alien employers would cause wages in many service sector industries to rise, since employers would then have to hire legal workers at market wages. These measures would reduce, and possibly eliminate, the need for any kind of socialist-style Universal Health Care program.

Then there is the matter of skilled immigration, which has been vigorously debated on this blog recently. One of the (many) problems with the H-1B program is that it makes indentured servants of the foreign workers. While they are free to come into the U.S. job market, they are generally tied to their employer-sponsor and thus are NOT free to move around the domestic job market in search of better wages and working conditions. This violates one of the major tenets of free market capitalism, and results in job loss and wage suppression for U.S. engineers and technologists. Another problem (with H-1B) is that the vast majority of visa holders are scientific and technical practitioners, rather than true innovators.

To move America ahead in the 21st century, we need to import a very limited number of cutting edge innovators and innovator-capitalists into the U.S. on a highly competitive basis, and allow them to move about freely in the job market and business communities once they get here. To enter under my proposal, these types of immigrants would need to prove that it is in the United States best interest to have them here. They could then self-petition for a green card application. These innovative immigrants would NOT be eligible to work on defense projects until they became natualized citizens. This proposal would be similar (but not identical) to the current EB-1 (Extraordinary ability) employment based visa. I believe the U.S could really prosper if we imported no more than 5,000 of these “innovator class” immigrants every year and scrapped the current H-1B program with a sunset clause of 1 to 2 years, after which every current H-1B worker who had not obtained a green card would have to leave the country and try to reapply for entry via the plan I proposed above.

Of course, we are required by the World Trade Organization to offer at least 65,000 H-1B visas a year, so scrapping this program would mean that we would have to withdraw from the WTO, which is something we should work toward with the Democratic House anyway.

The preceding is a high level description of how I would reform our broken immigration system. In case anyone is wondering, I am a registered Independent voter.

The TALKING CHIMP is totally running amok. He is absolutely no patriot, not even a functional Republican.We need to express our total distain for his presence in the White House. "Social disobediance" is in order. No respect what-so-ever should be directed to BOOSH, as a person!If he agrees to aid the DEMS in repealing the Secure
Fence Act, he should be faced with a huge march on Washington, and demonstrations at all major federal buildings. We need to be focused on the word "AMNESTY".Keep it simple. Just write AMNESTY IS TREASON!!!! or TREASON + AMNESTY. EVERYBODY WHO CAN SHOULD SPEND SAY $30 ON PRINTING CHEAP
POSTERS AND PUTTING THEM IN PLAIN SITE This situation for us, is about as bad as it was for good germans & the jews, when HILTER got elected! Have no respect for BOOSH, PELOSI, or any AMNESTY TRAITORS. PRAY THAT SOME DAY THEY WILL TAKE THE GENERAL BLAME OF HISTORY FOR GROSS STUPIDITY AND SHEER TREASON! Trouble is likely to only escalate. Buy a legal weapon & ammunition for self & family defence. Get an armband with the national flag on it to identify yourself to the supporters of the Constitution, in the event of social breakdown. REMEMBER...AMNESTY is the most telling word, as is TREASON!!!! We must either have a third party along CONSTTUTIONAL lines or purge all the human filth out of the 2 dominant parties. This election is not the resolution, it is the line in the sand!

Illegal immigration, the new war for 08!!!

The TALKING CHIMP is totally running amok. He is absolutely no patriot, not even a functional Republican.We need to express our total distain for his presence in the White House. "Social disobediance" is in order. No respect what-so-ever should be directed to BOOSH, as a person!If he agrees to aid the DEMS in repealing the Secure
Fence Act, he should be faced with a huge march on Washington, and demonstrations at all major federal buildings. We need to be focused on the word "AMNESTY".Keep it simple. Just write AMNESTY IS TREASON!!!! or TREASON + AMNESTY. EVERYBODY WHO CAN SHOULD SPEND SAY $30 ON PRINTING CHEAP
POSTERS AND PUTTING THEM IN PLAIN SITE This situation for us, is about as bad as it was for good germans and the jews, when HILTER got elected! Have no respect for BOOSH, PELOSI, or
any AMNESTY TRAITORS. PRAY THAT SOME DAY THEY WILL TAKE THE GENERAL BLAME OF HISTORY FOR GROSS STUPIDITY AND SHEER TREASON! Trouble is likely to only escalate. Buy a legal weapon and ammunition for self & family defence. Get an armband with the national flag on it to identify yourself to the supporters of the Constitution, in the event of social breakdown. REMEMBER...AMNESTY is the most telling word, as is TREASON!!!! We must either
have a third party along CONTTUTIONAL lines or
purge all the human filth out of the 2 dominant
parties. This election is not the resolution, in is the line in the sand!

It's a temper tantrum. A day after he cost the Republicans the House and the Senate, and he's throwing a temper tantrum by threatening this guest worker program. He knows it will upset everyone that voted democratic, but, that actually are republican. I knew he was full of bull when he kept saying how much he respected people for having different opinions about America and politics. Anyone who says it over and over is lying.
It's time to put Mexico in the toilet. They don't think anything about us. They have created a $30 billion dollar drug empire from our children. They could of stopped it, anytime they wanted to. We are nothing to them.

HP,

Thanks for adding your excellent thoughts. 65,000 H1-B visas as part of the WTO seems reasonable to me, too. I've been fighting against an increase in the cap and resulting misuses of the system, as you probably know. Actually, I have friends from France and Italy here on student visas and/or working in the arts, and I would not want the USA to become so restrictive that we lose our connection with the world.

And I agree, innovator-capitalists bring a decided benefit. Certainly, the tech bubble also produced some outstanding legitimate companies, such as Amazon.com—and internet technology has revolutionized democracy—so I suppose you realize that when I write, it's rarely in absolute terms.

If there were a vibrant job market at decent wages and benefits, I agree there would be little need for Universal Health Coverage. Instead, I would advocate safety net insurance, so for example, a student with massive debt laid off 6 months into job #1 can have instant insurance, rather than possibly become uninsured (not able to afford COBRA) and face catastrophic illness. We have millions uninsured, but clearly, the best thing is to get them to work at living wages, and an amnesty would almost guarantee they remain unemployed.

By the way, I traveled to Virginia last week and stayed in a motel. The entire house staff was white American. They were doing "the jobs Americans won't do," such as cleaning bathrooms and tearing down bed sheets. They were also very nice, warm people who asked if there were anything I needed, please ask. My mother had a similar experience while traveling recently, but the staff was black American. I don't remember where this was, but I'm sure everyone knows that poor Americans are willing to do these jobs.

Angus, I am not a drinking man, but I feel a manhattan coming on. In fact, after listening to Bush this morning, think I'll make it a double. Whatever is left over will be good for cleaning the guns.

People James you`re clueless as usual... The republican loses were because of moron Boosh and Iraq, not your usual goofy analysis... Most all of the illegal immigration referendums passed in states, and once Iraq is out of the way, illegal immigration will be the new war for Americans, and the politicians know that.

A M E N !!!

espanol, I couldn't agree with you more!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BABY!!!! GO DEMS GET US THAT AMNESTY. AS I SAID BEFORE YOU PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD ARE ALL L0SERS.

The Terminator's landslide victory over Angelides in Nancy Pelosi's home state ought to send the Democratic leadership a message. GOP candidates, even running in Democratic strongholds, can win in landslides if they distance themselves from the Bush administration.

He couldn’t wait could he? His party just got crushed because of his policies and he can’t wait to take advantage. This man is simply incapable of learning. No amount of 2X4s will do it.

It is up to middle class working, taxpaying citizens to turn the tables on the corporations, businesses, and governments who want illegal slave labor. Only by walking off the job, stopping the tax revenues gained from "income tax" on citizen workers gathered by business operators, shutting down the flow of money squandered by the government on those who do not work or pay taxes but just take (democratic dependent voters) can the citizens who are getting ripped off survive. I tell you the votes are with those dependent on government hand-outs and those purchased with the finances of big business. It you and I who are being trounced in the process and it is time for a taxpayer revolt. With the dems and amnesty seeking bought off republicans backing this amnesty-seeking president, what other choices do we have ? Sensenbrenner, Tancredo, and other anti ILLEGAL immigration allies have to have our help. Taxpayer revolt must happen and happen soon or by Spring the immigration issue will be past history and we will have 20 million more mouths to feed......and then, what happens to our loved ones who we have worked so hard to secure a future for? Our voices must be heard with action. Why can't we gather together? Its because we are all still working. A worker walk out would provide a great opportunity for groups all across this nation to gather together and send a message. Let's set a date and just do it.

I believe that even Rush Limbaugh is finally getting it when it comes to our chimp-in-chief. He’s “not going to carry the water” anymore. He (Bush) threw his own party to the dogs. He wants his slaves THAT much.

HP,
Please let me add some provisions to your suggested plan,

1. The US oil industry shall access only 5% of the global oil exploration market.

2. The US corporates shall access only 1% of the global market to sell their goods and services

3. The US pharma companies shall get only 10 poor Africans every year to perform clinical trials on.

4. The dollar shall not be traded on the international forex market causing it to lose value and make the Euro the standard for international trade.

Under the garb of free trade US corporations captured markets around the world so that wealth can flow back in this country. The same wealth is being used to facilitate a high standard of living for you and me.

Your protectionist measure is no good for anyone any longer in this global economy. Your only motive is to create an artificially inflated wage level just for your own personal benefit.

America cannot create wealth all by itself any longer and just cannot ignore a market of about half a billion people in countries like India and China for its businesses.

I am so happy today. I know democrats will finally make justice and pass amnesty for all Mexicanos - my people. And we can now get guest workers here, they will be able to vote which means soon we will take over this country. Serves you white european trash right since you stoles this land from Mexicanos.
Viva Mexico!!!
Fernando

The rats are already deserting the ship they sunk.

"...make justice and pass amnesty for all Mexicanos - my people. And we can now get guest workers here, they will be able to vote which means soon we will take over this country. Serves you white european trash right since you stoles this land from Mexicanos...."

Trotskyists who might laugh and mock the notion of a neo-Stalin lurking out there should take note of this blogger. Is this a neo-Stalin in the making? How many more are out there, waiting for the first revolutionary wave to complete? What other groups might have "invaded" North America besides "white european trash"? Is there any solidarity with the Palestinians among this potential New America? What would happen to the UN Security Council with this New America? How would it vote on, say, Member State of the UN Israel? Would there be a growing international movement to overturn the 1948 creation of the Jewish state? I wonder whether tough, shrewd members of the Senate who want to legalize slavery and put these people on a path to citizenship are, in fact, as stupid as the send-a-bricks sitting in their offices?

Fernando makes the perfect point for a rallying cry. Mexicans don't respect (or even like) Americans. All they want is to steal jobs and benefits they haven't earned. They blame the US for the very problems they have created for themselves.

Here it comes, folks!!!! Get ready to get F***ed up the Wazoo and pay for it, too!
I am seriously thinking of looking into applying for citizenship in another country. (Legally, of course)

BEFORE YOU ILLEGAL ALIEN FOLKS THAT WANT AMNESTY START SINGING AND DANCING

Walmart isn't selling Chinese stuff like they used to, housing construction jobs are going down the drain, average American rent costs of a 1 bdrm apartment run at least two illegal alien's paychecks, I can't find job opennings to speak of for American college degree positions with no experience, we now hire new hires in America as interns to fire you quickly later anyway, the Middle Class already got all the paper routes for extra income years ago, we have a massive federal deficit to pay off that will mean huge tax increases on your measly pay, by the time you retire the old Baby Boomers will already have sucked Social Security dry and your benefits will be a joke?

Get my drift, your overpopulation presense will just make it even worse than it already is too.

Oh, the good news, CEOs in America make 250 times the worker hourly rate. The unemployment rate is low, especially for that $3/hr sewage cleaning job we'll stick you with....

FCannon, you have brought up a subject that has troubled me for some time. What would happen if America got REALLY mean? What if the U.S. had nuked Moscow in 1945 or Hanoi in 1968? What if we behaved like the Mexican Mafia? The only restraint on the U.S. behavior is the U.S. body politic. When the body politic changes, so does the behavior of the country. Think about millions of Fernando Penas suddenly coming into the body politic. How many aircraft carriers does La Raza get?

One of the most important factors responsible for the wins of the democrats and president bush (lower case letters done purposely) on the illegal immigration situation is, without a doubt, the totally misinformed state that most Americans are in. Americans, as a rule, really don't care about immigration because it is a very amorphous issue for people and they cannot easily grasp the many ways it will affect them.

Of course, I put the blame of this failure of many Americans to understand the important issues, totally on the Main Stream Media. This is still where millions of older and other Americans get their information. All through the administrations of Reagan , Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 11, the public was continuously in the dark, about immigration, legal and illegal. This was done on purpose. The main stream media is not controlled by liberals as Rush Limbaugh and other geniuses on the radio continuously spout. Rather, it serves the purposes of Wall Street and the elitists, regardless of their party affiliation. For example, the liberals were quite happy with Bush's tax cuts, were'nt they? I did'nt see any of the wealthy liberals and hollywood elites offer to give away the money Bush's policies saved them. Did multi- millionair Nancy Pelosi return, on principle, any of the extra money Bush's tax cuts saved her??

When it comes to illegal immigration and all the negative effects it will have on Americans, believe me, Bush, Pelosi, and all the corporations and wall street are being served, very loyally by the Main Stream News networks, and media that keep Americans in the dark. If the media was really controlled by liberals, we probably woud'nt even have been in Iraq. They are so anti war, are'nt they? Without relavent information ,Americans can't determine their fate on anything. Both of these parties are, in reality, corporate whores.

Fernando, do us a favor. Please keep writing. No one, in the long run, helps American citizens more than people like you. I wish there were thousands of your type writing.

HOSE "A," if you want to see REAL LOSERS, look at the Illegals. They thumb their ugly noses at another country's laws and think they're entitled to what that country has, because their stupid countries can't give them what they need. If they don't get what they think they're entitled to, they sue their hosts. They cry "racism" at every turn, when in fact, it is they who fight to gain illegal goods for their races. They show no pride or sense of shame at their actions or in accepting handouts. They would actually be pathetic if they weren't such disgusting pigs!

This is what I have been saying...Bush wants amnesty, he just had to paint the pig to make it palatable to the conservatives in his party...now he can simply sit back and let the democrats do all the work for him...he gets what he wants and we get screwed.
The unions are pushing to add illegals to their ranks, corporations like Microsoft are pushing to double and triple the visas to give every decent job to foreigners, the dems plan to dangle every conceivable social program under the noses of the poor and uneducated and no one will invest in us or our children or our future...we are all screwed!!!

Our fight has only just begun and it just got that much tougher!!!

Gail Roma, you were the first person to point out these political ideas of the new body politic to me (when you posted the Aztlan link). I know you've been concerned for a long time.

george w. bush, the greatest president Mexico has ever had, showed his true anti-American colors today. May the new House impeach this elitist traitor as their first order of business.

To all of the invaders gloating over the results of this election I say: get ready for a whole world of backlash American-style. The message America sent with the '06 election is a referendum on the corrupt leadership of bush and his elitist cronies. It was not a defeat of border control and national security supporters. Tom Tancredo may well be our next president in spite of his rather too conservative views. Why? Because he cares about Americans and America more than importing slave-labor/criminals to feed the short-sighted corporate greed perpetrated by bush and company.

Well, isn't this just great! Why is Bush trying to give our country away to millions of people who have not invested long or hard enough to be called Americans? When will he address American's concerns? I havn't heard him do it yet. *To all the wicked and crooked politicans here's my advice. We Americans are sick and tired of the big American citizenship giveaway=Amnesty!

Try and pass anything massive and you will have a full American fight on your hands! Oh by the way Illegals,(with open borders)don't get too settled in the terrorist will be here soon(i'm sure)if not already to bomb all our a--es to kingdom come and back again. God Bless Everyone!

Bobby, your comments on Americans and the media are true. It is a crime the supposedly most advanced democracy on earth has biased and controlled news media reporting the "facts".

Don't forget W, as in Bush, not wages, wants to change or eliminate the current tax structure and go to the novel, our founding fathers idea, of federal excise and straight sales taxes.
I realize that it seems like a good idea, and would be if legal market forces were in place. That is, that all constitutional laws are enforced in total against all criminal employers and businesses that have chosen to buy off politiicans in an effort to shirt the law and create the contemporary robber baron scenario.

But if you have a disappearing middle class and a burgeoning serf class you quickly realize that squeezing blood, money, from people that no longer have any is a sure path to revolution.

And I might add, the US Treasury and the IRS have lost 2 cases before the Supreme court this year on 4th amendment and search and seizure law. So they will need to do something before the American people discover they may still have some rights remaining.

And just to be clear: there is no distinction between the illegal alien migration issue and political corruption, they are one and the same.

1: failure to secure our borders and ports

2: failure to enforce laws against employers of illegal aliens

3: distributing social benefits to illegals at the expense of legal tax paying US citizens

the first is a failure to uphold the constitution of the United States, the other 2 may be as well but they are certainly failures to uphold federal and state laws regarding the distribution of government monies.

Espanol, hose b and ferdi, no matter what happens with guest worker/ amnesty, you will always be 2nd class because that is how the mexican intellectual and moral compass points. [FAIR edit]

If the main of those Democrats were really elected for their stand against illegal immigration then let them show that they aren't going to betray the United States citizens to whom they made those promises.

I'm afraid that the main of Democrats are traitors who lie against our Constitution, Country and We the People of these United States, as well as purposefully strive to undermine our Constitution rights and our National sovereignty...

If I'm wrong, then I thank God and those about whom I was wrong. If I'm right, however, then our country will fall. Of this I'm convinced.

We will see.

Espanol,

Go back to your OWN country and demand your human rights. NO ONE asked you to come to the U.S.

I've heard that some of the new Dems. are conservative and anti amnesty. I hope this is true. Anyway, we all need to let our pols know exactly how we feel about this issue, immediately.

To all (except the illegals and bleeding hearts)

I find it strange that Bush gave up his own party to push Amnesty (or try to). I am concerned with the Dems in power, however reading the FAIR explaination I am not sure what the Dems will do, we have to keep the letters going so they realize they are in office because people were tired of the last 3 plus the present President has done nothing about securing the borders and niether did the republicans for the last 6 years they had power and either they listen to the people or in 08 they will be saying good bye to their new found power.
It is right that the American People have been kept in the dark and fed bull**** by the media and there's a website you can go to ( I will look up the address) and it expalins just what Bobby stated, the media is controlled by big business and they decide what we should see by saying they don't want their commercials run by certain storys.
Just maybe we will be in for a pleasent suprise, we are about due for one. What we can't do is give in or give up if we have to fight to the end. I am a good shot, and this year got my firearms card, and guess what first on my Christmas list, double barrel. Stocked up on can goods and if it comes down to it let the good times roll.

I would not abandon ship just yet or to some celebrete to soon!!!
IFAIR is calling upon the newly elected Democrats and the new congressional leadership to honor the promises that they made to dissatisfied voters all across the country to implement effective policies against illegal immigration. “When candidates promised that they would ‘get tough on illegal immigration,’ voters understood this to mean that they would enforce our borders, crackdown on employers, and create real deterrents to illegal immigration. If there was a single newly elected Democratic legislator who ran on a platform of amnesty for illegal aliens and massive new foreign guest worker programs, we are not aware of it,” said Stein.

The new Democratic-controlled Congress could cause lots of damage, that’s for sure, but middle class Americans are already in grave danger from the lame duck session which starts Monday, November 13. The threat comes from Texas Senator John Cornyn’s SKIL bill, which would drastically increase the number of H-1B visas, Green Cards, and student visas.

This bill WILL come up during the lame duck session, because the corporations and their lobbyists have made it a priority. Its provisions may also be put into an unstoppable Omnibus spending package. Immigration law firms are already advising their H-1B visa holders and their clients to contact Congress to lobby for these increases during the lame duck session.

Bill numbers >

H.R. 5744 in the House sponsored by John Shadegg (R-AZ)

S. 2691 in the Senate sponsored by John Cornyn (R-TX)

If this bill becomes law, then many Americans who are lucky enough to still have high tech and other white collar jobs will be financially ruined.

TANCREDO'S ANTI-IMMIGRATION CAUCUS DECIMATED

You'll read tomorrow about the Democrats big win in the House (and possible the Senate). You probably won't read about how badly anti-immigrants in the House have done this evening. Between retirements and losses, at least 11 and as many as 20 hardcore anti-immigrant Congressman will be gone in January. They include

Bass (R-NH)
Beauprez (R-CO)
Bradley (R-NH)
Gutknecht (R-MN)
Hayworth (R-AZ)
Heffley (R-CO)
Hyde (R-IL)
Ryun (R-KS)
Taylor (R-NC)
Sweeney (R-NY)

No matter what is said after this election, the American public spoke and made it clear that they do not buy the anti-immigrant rhetoric of some in Congress. Not a single pro-immigrant Congressman lost to an anti-immigrant opponent as far as I can tell.

Reference Source:
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2006,1109-siskind.shtm

This will be interesting. When Mr. Bush and the dems give all illegals amnesty, will they still be permitted to send their money back to Mexico while we all pitch in for their medication, education and incarceration? And don't forget the cases of Bud Lite they tote home from the "supermercado."
Our grocery has already prepared. A couple of years ago, they installed a tortilla factory and began stocking the shelves with Hispanic foods.
Are we still ready to fight the takeover, or will we be the "paying" part of the NAU before we know it?

Bush said "no amnesty" when he ran. When these 'Lou Dobbs' Democrats get to Washington, Nancy and the lobbyists will have fresh meat.

We will see, indeed.

Our first step was to throw the political bums out of office. Now our second step is to throw the illegal alien bums out of our country! We had the power and the voice to throw the bums out of office, so now we have that same power and that same voice to stand up against illegal immigration. We must stand strong against this Mexican invasion before it's too late.

Slate's Jacob Weisberg has made an interesting analysis/observation; there's more beneath the surface of this Democratic sweep.

BTW, since I've mentioned Stalinist dangers and Burnham's Soviet/Nazi influences, it may be worth noting that Robert Gates was an analyst on the Soviet desk in 1966. That's encouraging news, and I think Bush made a solid selection here. We need some of the experienced Cold War veterans around again imo.

Crow. Its whats for dinner.

Yes, giving up your party for shanesty.
Interesting, bush can get the democrats to pass shanesty and then any political fallout or revenge would fall on the democrats. republicans could say it wasn't them.

Another republican white house and congress in 08 and beyond.

It's not as far fetched as you may think.

We really, really need to get working on developing a viable 3rd and maybe fourt party asap.

I saw that the 2 independents in Texas drew 26 percent of the vote. Not bad when you consider the candidates were not politically savy nor experienced.

On ABC in Houston, investigative reporter Wayne Dolcefino is running a week-long series about "CRIMIGRATION" the revolving door-scheme and undetected illegals running free to repeat crimes will not go unnoticed by the public. I expect a growing backlash against the illegal plantation system. No politician can defend amnesty to criminals...EVER. Poe was on the show too.Mainstream public awareness is key to the movement. By the way a surprising number of Mexicans signed on to a petition fighting Sanctuary City, Houston. Let's have faith common sense will prevail.

Hey what`s with the other American Me... People like fernando are the prime example, uneducated, racist, illegal leeches... Just because the dems have the majority for now, it does not mean there will an amnesty... Pelosi and some dems may be left wing radicals, but their not stupid... 80% or more of the American people want no amnesty, but want enforcement and the border secured, contrary to the pro-illegal crowd`s rhetoric and spin... So giving an amnesty would be political suicide in 08, and they know it... So too fernando and the others, don`t be playing your marachi music just yet.

Hey sean hooray for skil bill. I hope it comes to pass soon for usa needs more bright indians on h1b to replace aging american workers who just sit at their pc and write hate notes against other nationalty. When there are more of us here we will control internet and shut down hate blogs like this one.

Helen, nothing will scatter people who are trying to threaten you faster, than a blast in the air from a double barreled shot gun. Good for you.

Crocker,

Your open-border-biased analyses reflect dyslogia. You spout unsupportable views with the self-assurance and blindness that epitomizes your delusional camp.

Case in point: You list Beauprez as one of the "hardcore anti-immig" Repubs who have disappeared from the political scene. Beauprez left his congressional seat to run for CO Gov. The RNC (as does the DNC) gives its blessings and backing for Gov only to those who pass the open-borders litmus test and Beauprez was no exception. Beauprez supported CAFTA for that very reason and as a bank proprietor he voted to allow the Matricula card as acceptable identification.

Beauprez's use of the immigration issue was pure theater - and theater at its finest! Those of us in CO were treated to quite a spectacle as Beauprez's camp cited his Dem opponent for Gov (and ultimate victor in the race) as being soft on illegal immigration due to Mr. Ritter's decision as a DA to offer illegals prosecuted for drug trafficking, stolen vehicles, assaults, and other assorted felonies the option of pleading guilty to the misdemeanor of AGRICULTURAL TRESSPASS, thereby avoiding a felony conviction and thus avoiding deportation.

So, in the race for CO gov, like most big races throughout the country, immigration reform supporters had no real choice: a posturing RINO or an unabashed open-borders cheerleader. Pick your poison - the wolf or the wolf in sheep's clothing.

Keep in mind that CO voters approved a referendum whereby illegals would not be eligible to receive welfare services, with the exception of federal mandates for education and emergency medical care. In polls, voters overwhelmingly approved of the measure (80%), but the CO Supreme Court invalidated the measure on very weak legal grounds. After the ruling, extreme public pressure galvanized the current Repub Gov to twist the arms of the Dem-controlled state legislature to enact laws prohibiting illegals from accessing state welfare services (although enforcement is questionable, it placated CO voters).

If you consider Tuesday's results within the ENTIRE context of the political sphere then your comment "No matter what is said after this election, the American public spoke and made it clear that they do not buy the anti-immigrant rhetoric of some in Congress" is non-sensical and a mischaracterization of voter sentiment.

As others have already pointed out, the media made Iraq the Big Issue and THAT is what swayed the frustrated American electorate.

Maybe you can't see through the FOG OF MEDIA, but some of us can. Your attempt (wittingly or unwittingly) to obfuscate the issue does nothing except incorrectly frame the debate.

Hey Fernando!!!
If Amnesty passes I for one will refuse to file federal income taxes. I also am thinking strongly about having a new TEA PARTY since we are being taxed without representation.
I envision something akin to
The French Underground during WWII..
.Anyone else want to join the fight????
a Patriotic AMERICAN

sarita, you have just demonstrated why Americans don't want your type here. You are already talking about censoring free speech. Please return to whatever totalitarian country you came from. You obviously know nothing about this country.

Hi everybody,

Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) hit opponent Bob Casey for Casey's support for the Senate comprehensive bill that passed on a bipartisan basis last May. Santorum suffered the biggest defeat of any Senate incumbent in this election cycle, losing by 18 percent.

Katherine Harris repeatedly invoked Senator Bill Nelson's (D-Fla.) support for the Senate bill in her comeback attempt. She lost 60 percent to 38 percent.

Republican Tom Kean Jr. attacked Senator Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) for his support of comprehensive reform. Menendez beat Kean 53 percent to 47 percent.

Senators Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) and Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) were attacked for their votes in support of allowing legalized immigrant workers to claim credit for social security taxes they paid when they had been undocumented. Both won easily.

Senator Tom Carper (D-Del.) was opposed by a one-issue candidate, former INS official and noted immigration restrictionist Jan Ting. Accused of supporting "amnesty," Carper won 70 percent to 29 percent.

Reference:

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=2e331dabbfbeb75f629c7713ceb762c5

More information I would like to share:

In Arizona-8, Republican Randy Graf lost to Democrat Gabrielle Giffords 54 percent To 42 percent. This was a closely watched race for a toss-up district along the U.S.-Mexico border in a state in which immigration is the No. 1 issue. Graf made the prophetic statement, "If this issue can't be won in this district [by hard-liners], the argument can be made that it can't be won anywhere in the country."

In Indiana-8, House Immigration Subcommittee Chair John Hostettler was one of the featured Republicans in the summer "field hearings" held by the House GOP to stir up voters on the immigration issue. He lost by a wide margin.

In Arizona-5 hardliner J.D. Hayworth (R-Ariz.) is the author of the book "Whatever It Takes" about illegal immigration, who refused to vote for the controversial Sensenbrenner bill HR 4437 because he thought it didn't go far enough. Hayworth was upset by comprehensive reform advocate Harry Mitchell 51 percent to 46 percent. Two years earlier Hayworth won re-election by 21 points.

In Colorado-7, Republican hardliner Rick O'Donnell was trying to replace another Republican, Bob Beauprez, who vacated the seat to run for governor. In a front-page New York Times article during the campaign O'Donnell argued that immigration was the biggest issue in his district and that his views were much more popular than those of his opponent, comprehensive reform advocate Democrat Ed Perlmutter. Perlmutter won 54 percent to 42 percent.

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=2e331dabbfbeb75f629c7713ceb762c5

News from the so called frontline states in the war against immigration:

In Arizona Len Munsil repeatedly attacked Democratic incumbent Janet Napolitano, an early proponent of comprehensive reform, for being soft on illegal immigration. Munsil proposed a half-a-billion-dollar border security initiative as his signature issue. Napolitano won 63 percent to 35 percent.

In Colorado Republican Bob Beauprez staked his campaign on attacking his Democratic opponent Bill Ritter for being soft on illegal immigration. He lost 56 percent to 41 percent.

In numerous states, Democratic incumbents and candidates came under fire from their opponents for being soft on illegal immigration and for supporting in-state tuition for undocumented students. In every case -- Kansas, Oklahoma, Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Oregon, Iowa and Maryland -- the pro-immigrant candidate won and the hard-liner lost.

In California, Arnold Schwarzenegger took a different tack from many in his party. He moved to the center on immigration -- he stopped applauding the Minutemen, stated his regret for his support of Proposition 187 in the past, dragged his feet on approving the deployment of his state's National Guard for border duty and loudly criticized the Republican Congress for not moving on comprehensive immigration reform. He was rewarded with a huge victory that included 39 percent of the state's large group of Latino voters.

Reference:

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=2e331dabbfbeb75f629c7713ceb762c5

"Human Being" and "espanol":

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.

..I type these two of ten commandments from the Bible because you apply a type of "religious fervor" to your demands for U.S. citizenship for illegal aliens.

Answer me one thing: what have illegal aliens in the U.S. done to establish their qualifications for U.S. citizenship?

THIS IS CRAZY! I mean, this is a key example of just what the problem actually is...millions of Mexicans who think they can and deserve to have U.S. citizenship just because they want it, and yet their loyalties are with Mexico AND THEIR ''RACE".

No mention of the United States, nothing about what they OFFER TO THE UNITED STATES AS TO POSSIBLE CITIZENS, nothing to qualify for citizenship other than a sort of mass, racial, demand and from the perspective of another country.

This is so horrible...does whoever wrote this even understand what "laws" are? They're obviously in the U.S. illegally, I also add, to even write such a thing as this...

AND I QUOTE:

I am so happy today. I know democrats will finally make justice and pass amnesty for all Mexicanos - my people. And we can now get guest workers here, they will be able to vote which means soon we will take over this country. Serves you white european trash right since you stoles this land from Mexicanos.
Viva Mexico!!!
Fernando -- Posted by: Fernando Pena on November 8, 2006 03:13 PM

AND I END QUOTE, my Heaven's, what a travesty.

Crocker:

Thanks for advertising the position that racism and ethnic supremacy are the ruling motivation for a segment of our voting population that has successfully thrown elections against anyone who does not tow the ethnic-supremacy line.

I conclude this because the issues of "immigration" today in our media and in our nation's politics has been long ago defined as being synonymous with "Latino/Hispanic." Only not by the nation, not by most U.S. citizens.

No, the issue has become one of surging ethnic supremacy BY Hispanics/Latinos who have forced their own perceptions upon the rest of the U.S. (and what does THAT have to do with citizenship), and that is that to the ethnic-supremacists who are Hispanic/Latino, immigration is all about them. It's "theirs" -- it's some sort of movement by an ethnicity to superimpose itself over others, based upon their own perception that to be Latino/Hispanic is to be supreme or "more worthy" than others.

From that basis springs all the evaluations of who ~dares not offfend~ or speak up too much about "immigration" and who does (in which case, they are punished in the polls, if your perspectives are to be believed).

Immigration is not inherently a racial nor ethnic issue. And yet, in only a few decades, we have been supplanted in this nation of ours (the U.S.) with a commonly occuring and loathesomely anti-American "value" and that is, to be an "immigrant" is to be "Hispanic/Latino" and to be "Hispanic/Latino" is to deserve U.S. citizenship at the expense and to the disadvantage of all else, including our Constitution.

Now, THAT is ethnic-supremacy in action. And, that is the antithesis of what it means to qualify for and be a U.S. citizen.

Bush told the Mexican president today about his excitement over "comprehensive immigration reform."( aka AMNESTY for LAWBREAKERS) Why the American public does'nt boo him down wherever he is seen is a mystery.

I agree with the position taken by AIC. I have long been an advocate of following the laws already on the books regarding illegal immigrants. We should give one notice to all of them, no matter where they came from. The message should be as follows: “You are in our country illegally. If you want to become a citizen, it is your responsibility to start the necessary process and paperwork. If you are stopped for anything- a driving violation; problems with your landlord, ANYTHING-and you do not have proof that you are legally entitled to be here, you will be held to the letter of the law. Maybe prison. Maybe deportation. No questions. No debate.”
Also, I am completely disgusted with people who live here, refuse to learn English, and expect us to change our way of life to accommodate them. It is the USA, and “WE SPEAK ENGLISH HERE”!!!! A year ago, I put my feelings in the forms of a shirt, which I wear proudly. If it annoys those to whom it is directed, I am happy. It would be better if our Government was behind the effort to accomplish the obvious-making English the “official” language of the United States of America-but that’s another battle for another time. Right now, I would like to see patriotic, English-speaking citizens wearing this message.

Since your organization represents all of what I believe in as related to immigration and English as our “official” language, I wanted to let you and your members know you can express your opinion everyday, and get right in the face of the people who need to do what it takes to truly be an American Citizen. Shirts are available at my website, which is www.cafepress.com/wespeakenglish.

Patriotically,

Mike Shields
US Citizen

Thank you S, for elaborating on Crockers' obvious hypocritical stance. This attitude seems to be common with many brain dead liberals. When they fall, boy, will they fall hard.

It is my belief that all things are in the hand of God--that nothing comes to pass that is not used to further His will. I am sadly resigned to the fact that America (as we know her) will disappear and another strange country made up of those who do not care for her but only what they can get from her will arise. I also just happen to believe that since America is simply not mentioned in the Bible during the end times when Israel is attacked, there comes about some reason for which we do not come to Israel's aid.

Having said that, I am Texan. I also believe that the last page of the will of God has not been written--and that we, through our actions which He permits, add to that writing and, therefore, are also a part of His will. I believe in maintaining the Alamo mentality and spirit. Santa Anna had everything within his grasp and could have taken it but a group of sharpshooters in the Alamo gave everything to slow him down and ensnare him in his own greed and arrogance. They "lost" so that we might win. If we, too, continue this fight, we may be blessed enough to win once again. We fight on.

I feel such sorrow knowing the kinds of changes that will come to the cultural and political landscape as the Hispanic culture moves into power. It is the Anglo-Saxon culture which made America--the Hispanic culture made such glorious nations as Mexico, Guatemala, and Nicaragua--whose citizens all flee to that which was created by Anglos. (I am not Anglo, I am Irish/Native-American.) The Hispanic culture is enormously inefficient and seems to create only corruption in its governing forces with few exceptions. This is the final blessing they will bestow upon us and--because of this--themselves. They desire so very much what we have but can not produce it or maintain it without adopting OUR culture. Refusing to do so will eventually (soon, actually) dirty the water to the point that they are no longer able to drink. They are the fools here. As the Spanish writer, Ortega y Gassette, said, "In obtaining bread, they destroy the bakery". (He spoke this about the part of the population which he considered "vulgar" or "common" and who feasted on the inventions and achievements of those so far above them without any real understanding of the sacrifices made to bring them about.)

I have become boring by saying the same thing over and over but I will say it again:

Bush is a liar and a traitor/globalist. I have not believed anything he has said since the second election when he spoke of a "mandate" when he had so narrowly won. As we say in Spanish, "me da asco". He disgusts me.

CROCKER ITS 99% IRAQ AND YOU KNOW IT

If there was no Iraq your amnesty Democrats would be scrubbing out toilets with the illegal aliens. Maria Cantwell didn't even mention immigration and she lied too, she said she did not vote for Social Security to illegal aliens. They all lied, if they are pro-amnesty Democrats and won.

All the polls are clear as Hades: AMERICANS DON'T WANT AMNESTY!

YOU IGNORANT HATE MONGERS....NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT AMNESTY......THE RIGHT WING AGENDA IN THIS COUNTRY HAS ALWAYS PRYED UPON THE COMMON POPULACE BY SCARING THEM AND THIS IS ANOTHER INSTANCE OF THE SAME PLOY....

IF THESE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS GET A CHANCE TO GAIN LEGAL STATUS AFTER STAYING FOR YEARS IN THE SHADOWS, THEY HAVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO DESERVE SOME BREATHING SPACE....

THE COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM BILL ALREADY MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR LESS THAN AND MORE THAN 5 YEARS BEFORE EVEN STARTING THE PROCESS FOR PERMENANT RESIDENCY ...

NOBODY IS GOING TO HAND A GREEN CARD/CITIZENSHIP TO THESE ILLEGAL WORKERS...THEY HAVE TO EARN IT AND FOR THAT THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND WAIT IN LINE LIKE ALL OTHER ASPIRANTS...

ONE ADVANTAGE IS THAT BY GIVING LEGALITY TO THESE ILLEGAL WORKERS, EMPLOYERS WILL NOT BE IN A POSITION TO EXPLOIT THEM ANY LONGER AND WITH BETTER ENFORCEMENT RULES WILL BE FORCED TO PAY THEM HIGHER WAGES LEADING TO A MAJOR SHAKEDOWN IN THE WAGE MARKET...

ONE COMPONENT OF THE CIR BILL EVERYONE IS OVERLOOKING IS THAT NOW THE EMPLOYER WILL BE HELD LIABLE TO CHECK STATE WORK AGENCY CHARTS BEFORE HIRING TEMP WORKERS AND FAILING TO DO THAT WILL RESULT IN HEAVY FINES...

THERE ARE NUMEROUS PROVISIONS IN THE CIR BILL WHICH MAKES IT HARDER TO EMPLOY H1B WORKERS TOO....INCREASED FEES, CHECKING IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY RECENT LAYOFFS AT THE CONCERNED FIRM/BUSINESS......CHECKING IF THERE HAS BEEN AN INFLUX OF GRADUATES IN THE GEOGRIPHICAL AREA

WHAT THE SYSTEM NEEDS IS ENFORCEMENT AND REGULATION AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF PROVISIONS IN THE CIR WHICH PROVIDE PURPOSE IN THIS DIRECTION...

I HAD TO TYPE MY THOUGHTS IN UPPER CASE LETTERS SO THAT SOME OF YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SEE AND REASON CLEARLY....

Hey sean hooray for skil bill. I hope it comes to pass soon for usa needs more bright indians on h1b to replace aging american workers who just sit at their pc and write hate notes against other nationalty. When there are more of us here we will control internet and shut down hate blogs like this one.

Posted by: sarita on November 9, 2006 04:38 PM

Seems the racist is YOU sarita!!!

To Fernando: Si se puede.... build the fence! Si se puede...enforce the law! Si se puede....report illegal aliens. Si se puede.... enact Hazelton laws. Si se puede...stop public benefits.

Si se puede....Make Mexico deal with its own underclass.

WE ARE ENTERING THE FINAL PHASES OF DECLINE &
FALL OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE...HISTORY REPEATS
THE END OF ROME.

George Bush will be remembered, a thousand years
from now, like one of the inept emperors , who decided to neglect the borders, & in fact allowed some of the barbarians to enter the country to help keep out the hordes that wanted to "migrate in" for a combination of land,"jobs" and escape from the hellish world on the outside of the "PAX ROMAMA".You have to look at the big picture...to understand. Just as Rome degenerated with its mass addiction to carnage as "SPORTS & ENTERTAINMENT", we, in the USA are likewise distracted by other base influences. We have drugs, coming in from Mexico, growing violence with the cartels,( read the news about Tijuana). We have a profoundly ANTI-SOCIAL influence, with the worst of the filth on the internet.I'm not talking about simple nudity or even depiction
of sex. I'm talking about PROFOUNDLY DEBASING,
RACIALLY CHARGED CONTENT, where the very
young, both visably drug debased, and seemingly
normal middle class youth are being abused ,
ill used , & subject to the vilest kind of degradation, by modern day "Barbarian Types".I am no prude,but when it reaches this level, I have to say, as a "fairly secular American", that it
approaches the degree of obscentity displayed in
the Roman ARENAS. When someone drives up next to you, playing SUPER-LOUD, thumping GANSTA RAP, or the Latino equivolent...They are in fact ...
trying to offend the white and asian middleclass. Itis the main reason they do this! The fact that there is a 5 BILLION DOLLAR businiess built on offensive abuse videos and images, and a whole host of music, cable, movie and television "mainstream media, that tends to harmonize with the worst themes of the porn. Drug Catel GANGSTAS from Mexico, don't just kill..... they DECAPITATE! JORGE BOOSH brought us IRAQ, now he and "THE PELOSI" person will merge their influence to give us an IRREVERSIBLE AMNESTY.That unholy coupling of political evil will cut the figurative throats of the 240,000,000 HAPLESS U.S. JERKS
that either, voted for PELOSI's "people", ignored the election, or continue to hold off on the IMPEACHMENT of "THE CHIMP IN-CHIEF".

Too bad for the world's latest great civilization! It promised so much!