Build a 2000-foot fence across the entire border! (or however long it is) Get everyone who isn't here legally out of OUR country. We want to restore America to the great country it once was, not continue to turn it into a third-world cesspool!

IT WOULD DISRUPT THE NORT AMERICAN ALLIANCE BORDER PARK IN 2010 (THEY SHOULD CALL THE NEW PARK, "CHEAP SLAVE LABOR")

I heard on CNN yesterday that the N. American Alliance agreement (not our Senate or Congress, just President Bush, Fox and the Canadian) is set for implementation by 2010 (96% of Americans are horrified and against the idea per CNN poll). Here's the CNN Transcript proof in part:

"...DOBBS: The results of our poll tonight: 96 percent of you responded that you are outraged that the Bush administration is considering combining the United States, Mexico and Canada, and working diligently, often in secret, to do exactly that, without any legitimacy whatsoever or authorization...."

Hey, the fence probably wouldn't be funded by US Senate by then, let alone built, why should the "wrench in the border fence machine" greedy Globalists care? Here's what their control of the US Senate monsters are plotting:

http://www.redstate.com/story/2006/3/17/12837/5747

The rest of the CNN report:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/28/ldt.01.html

BOGUS TESTIMONY ON THE ANIMAL LIFE & ENVIRONMENT!

What a crock, I'm well informed on natural history, having been involved with museums and efforts to save the Bonobo Apes in Africa. I have studied Jaguar range & migration. The truth is, a few sensors and camera protected crossings can be provide for animals, for very lttle cost. The trash poisons, the huge presence of aliens is scaring game , and the fires they start will all be reduced by a fences. We DO need to mark the entire actual border with a thick steel cable, placed 5 feet inside the USA. There are no markers closer than a mile apart. Frankly,THE USBP doesn't always know where the border is!I sure hope they fund this as well. This will allow both sides of the barrier fences to be protected from those who would rip them down.

The environmentalist are worried that a fence would be bad for the wildlife? Have they seen what the "wildlife" have already done to the border? Trash of all kinds, plastic diapers and bottles, discarded clothing, decayed food, papers, backpacks, you name it. Illegal aliens have turned the borders into a giant dumpster. And guess who pays to have it cleaned up?

The LA TImes reports that Senator Feinstein and Senator Larry Craig are trying to attach the AgJobs Amnesty to the Border Fence Bill.

Typical that they put the cheap labor interests of their farm welfare queens ahead of the rest of our security.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fence29sep29%2C0%2C2826437.story

I was thinking about the eminent domain law passed by the Supreme Court awhile back, where cities and other government entities can be allowed to seize property if "they" conclude there is a "better" use for it than what it is being used for at the time. My father used to always get irritated at the idea of the Supreme Court. He used to say, what are these people supposed to be, little gods over Americans? Now I get what he meant.

When you consider the passing of these laws,that enable cities to blatantly seize Americans properties, and Bush's plans to merge Canada, Mexico , and our own country,( Known as the Securtiy, and Prosperity Partnership) then it becomes clear why the "Supreme" Court passed these laws. The superhiway is going to require a lot of property seizing, isn't it?

As an animal lover, I don't want to see any harm come to animals, but I think environmentalists are underestimating the adaptive abilities of animals.
It seems to me, they would still have lots of room to roam, but admittedly, I'm no expert.
I can't imagine that some restriction could possibly be worse than the numerous things we do to animals nowadays, including having masses of people encroach on their habitat. The situation environmentally, at the border is bad enough, not to mention the toll the border is taking on human, taxpaying citizens. I urge the environmentalists to re-think their position and help us all to work within this situation.
P.S. Currently, it's only a 700-mile fence. If the illegals roam to other parts, do you think the animals won't?

Here's another reason we need a fence...all 2000 miles of it...

http://4alarm.org/hfd

WORTHLESS, TURNCOAT, RATS!
Of course they want to add this on before they'll support it! Gotta keep corporate America happy! Get rid of the lot of them!

I keep hoping that the elections in November will bear fruit in that I hope I see a lot of Amnesty supporters out of a job. If that happens you will see a massive swing to enforcement only.

If we just enforced the laws currently on the books we really wouldn't even need a fence, just cameras, sensors and satellites and the ability to shoot anyone who crosses the border illegaly or at the very least a 20 year prison sentance for those that are caught. I promise once you throw a few in prison that would change things real quick.

Brian

Brian

I`ll believe all this crap when the fence is actually up and the illegals aren`t invading... The enviromentalists criticize the fence, what a joke!... Where`s their outrage over the tons of garbage and feces left by illegals on the border... I guess to them that`s not an issue... Whatever traitor votes against these bills, throw their ass out of office come election time... We the people have had enough of this nonsense, and it`s time to take back our country, from greedy big business, and the useless, corrupt, traitor politicians!

I agree with all of you. A fence couldn't hurt wildlife any more than the deluge of illegal aliens.

I did some more research on the "Security and Prosperity Partnership" and, they are already trying to take land away from ranchers, etc.
Tom Tancredo is the ONLY pol. demanding information about this ultimate treason.
I have e-mailed C-SPAN, CNN and MSNBC and requested coverage on it. The creation of the "SPP" answers a LOT of questions about our government's inaction on the illegal issue. It also explains why Bush is trying to scare us all "s---less" about our security. Aside from keeping his corrupt administration in power, he thinks he can get us to think we need this union for security from "terrorists" (mainly insurgents who want the U.S. out of Iraq. I wonder what the self-righteous, smug, Bush supporters will think when they find out about the SPP? They probably will never know, as they apparently can't read and only watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh

Incidentally, did anyone happen to catch Congress on C-Span, this afternoon? They were falling all over themselves, so PROUD they have given our military a lousy 2% raise.

T H A N K GOD THAT REASON HAS PREVAILED !
THANKS DUNCAN HUNTER...THANKS ED ROYCE!
WE WILL HAVE OUR FENCE. PERHAPS THIS WILL SAVE THE NATION! BRAVO! HOUSE STEADFASTNESS.
A tip of my hat to Arnold who vetoed the ILLEGAL
Drivers licence bill today! I'm going out for a non-
MILLER beer...Bless all you great folks who fought the fight...ESPECIALLY DAN!

Yea Ha! Ya'll are investigating the Security and Prosperity Partnership!

Here's you another:

Search Hank Gilbert, running for Texas
Agriculture Commissioner. Click on the Issues button and select "TCC - Paving over Texas."

Want more e. coli?

Check out The NAFTA Highway and Its Impact on Texas Agriculture on Hank Gilbert's website.

I am pleased that both the House and Senate passed the "Fence Bill", however this is just the beginning of returning the United States to the Citizens (and legal residents) . Last night the Media was quick to report the "outrage" of Senior Fox et al, vowing to "convince President Bush to Veto the Bill" as it was not in the best interest of Mexico. They have a PR Firm and Lobbists in Washington, D.C. folks! They meddle in our National Affairs but are outraged when we suggest they Go Home and deal with their own corrupt government! I am afraid we will all soon find out why our Founding Fathers made a point that " The
Right to Bear Arms" became the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. They somehow knew we may well have to defend the very existance of OUR Country on OUR Soil in the future. Oh, for such brilliant statesmen in Today's Governing Bodies! The North American Alliance must be stopped! The intent is obvious, to distroy the United States as well as Freedoms Protected by Our Constitution. Remember "Taxation without Representation" ? I think "President George" wants to be "King George". We all need to keep the pressure on ALL of our National, State and Local Elected Officials. A visit to the local rife range to hone those skills may be a wise idea too . Wow, I never thought I would say that! Sounds like my WWII Vet Dad. He's probably in heaven shaking his fist at Senior Fox and President Bush!

Thanks to the 80 Senators who voted in the best wishes of America, we will have increased border security.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00262

You'll notice of the 19 Nays, 17 were Dems, 1 Dem-Indy, and 1 RINO chaffee. Fat Teddy didn't vote.

I hope this is the last straw for NJ voters and they vote Menendez out of office and elect Tom Kean to the US Senate.

http://stoptheinvasion.blogspot.com

Many Americans who are now so happy about the possibility of a fence being built to stop illegal immigration into the country they love, need to understand something. No fence, no strong opinions, no arguing endlessly, no name calling, no strong declarations--are going to stop illegal immigration.

As I have given my opinion on what will, I apologize in advance for stating it again. When AMERICANS CHANGE the POLITICIANS will CHANGE. This means a complete change of attitude involving our country. It means being reconnected, to that which we've become seperated from. What this means on illegal immigration, or on any other matter, is this. Americans have to take personal responsibility, everyday, for what happens in their country. For example, when some politician or city council decides it would be a good idea to make your city a sanctuary city, knowing all that will bring on it and you and yours, you get together with the neighbors and go to city hall and promise them that when election time comes they are finished. Then you acutalize that promise by getting rid of them.The same goes for any politician whos commitment is to anyone else but those who voted for him/her. All of them get swept out. If Americans cared, this country would be blossoming, instead of deteriorating. But just like a garden, it needs constant caring and upkeep. Sublimating, and ignoring everything that bothers us, is the problem. The La Raza's, Mechas, Reconquistas, and ACLU are'nt ignoring anything.

This is similar to Americas present condition, something described in the good book---and I passed by the field of a sluggard, by the vineyard of a person without sense; and it was all overgrown with thorns, the ground was all overgrown with weeds,and its stone wall was all broken down...... The writer goes on to put complete blame on the owner of the vineyard.

Enviro! wacks have little creditbility or they would address the absoulute trashing of our wild areas by Illegals,it's a sin what they are doing!
Also the overpopulation of US should be a concern.
These Wacko's are really Open Borders Traitors!

Pro Patria!!!

Maybe there movement has deflated because they're such pompous a$$holes.
People are getting sick and tired of the rest of the world acting like the United States of America and its citizens, owe them something because they think they should have what they want or lack.
Maybe if they showed some respect and humility, people would be more willing to compromise, but they're just "in your face" scum.
I hope we see their efforts to become citizens fail, and the greatest day, will be when the wall goes up, employers are fined, automatic citizenship is revoked and no benefits are given to pompous foreigners!

I'D KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT IF I WERE THOSE GUYS TOO

Hey, they aren't even suppose to be here.

I'd stop wiring all the cash south too, save some for your bus tickets back home.

I remain skeptical. As long as 1,000,000 or more thirld world aliens are pouring into our country every year while we grant anchor baby citizenship, I would say they have won. All they have to do is let things go the way they are for another 20 years and the 'civil rights' movement will no longer have to hide the real agenda of taking over. As far as I can see, no action is pro-illegal action.

big deal. at best the House will only get weak and symbollic laws. period. a fence was coming anyway. so it may go up. and that is all. no clear act or things that will actually make a difference. big sticking deal.

I really cannot believe how arrogant and empowered these people have been feeling the past year or so. What is their problem anyway.

My God, they already receive discounts on utility bills, children get free breakfast and lunch in most public schools, free medical and dental care, subsidized housing, discounted mortgages low cost mortgages, food stamps, WIC, job placement, etc.,etc.etc.

In California, reconquista politicians, suck-up Democrats, the Catholic Church, and dozens of subversive Mexican "human rights" groups,( from here , not Mexico!) Mexican Embassies, all seek ways to further empower illegal aliens. The results of all this frenetic activity has been bizzare.

Mexican flags raised at United States government buildings, and U.S. schools, older Americans beaten by these brave people, vandalism to Americans cars and property, Mexican flags hanging from front porches, mounted on cars, and carried at the "Marches", Americans free speach challenged at every turn, and this is all the "lite" stuff. Forget about the illegal alien drug dealers, rapists, child molesters, cop killers, and murderers.

Questions: What more can they receive and how much more can they damage this country??

This is a nice little victory, but the battle hasn't been won yet. We cannot afford to become complacent. We must keep figiting, if we do not, we will all lose. We have to keep the pressure on Congress, no matter how long it takes. Our country and very way of life is at stake.

Just look who wrote this article, that:

- refers to Rep. Sensenbrenner common-sense immigration reform bill as "the worst immigration bill in a century" and a "punitive approach to immigration" (while the bill merely punishes lawbreakers and outright invaders),

- calls immigration lawbreakers "immigrant community" (how offensive this must be to actual immigrants) and their militant leaders "Hispanic and immigration activists" (as if the U.S. weren't the the most inviting and generous country on Earth for immigrants so that they need to be protected and led by the "activists" in order to secure "positive image of immigrants"), and

- declares street protests by illegal aliens and their advocates "a new civil rights movement" (how offensive it must have been for the actual civil right movement)?

Her name is Marcela Sanchez.

Now you know why for years "liberal" activists insisted on hiring persons of Mexican ancestry (often referred to as "Hispanics") by the American mass media and press. Quite a Fifth Column they did set up there, didn't they?

20 million illegals (and don't for a second believe the low estimates the liberals want you to hear) courted by both parties as potential voters? Whatever happened to doing what is right and just according to our own laws? Enforcement-only policy is the way to go, we don't need new laws- we just need to act on the existing laws we already have concerning illegal immigrants. Why is calling a spade a spade such a bad thing in this country? They are here illegally, they have no rights, no privileges, no sanctuary, no legal recourse, no amnesty, nothing. They are criminals- period. As such we should enforce the laws on those businesses that hire these people so that the economic incentive to keep them here dries up. Without jobs, without money, without citizenship- they will leave on their own just to survive. They came here for what their own country couldn't give them and yet they want to leech off the prosperity America enjoys like a parasite with all the benefits and none of the consequences of breaking our laws. Don't bother with a fence or deportation, you're wasting your time and tax money. Just penalize every business, farmer, bank or landlord that gives them a job or a place to stay or a loan and suddenly no one will want illegals here anymore because it will be too costly to keep them. Don't believe all the nonsense about how they keep our economy going, they contribute less than 2% of our overal GDP and that can easily be fixed with respectable wages for citizens who live in those areas where illegals thrive. They are a drain on our society, always have been, always will. If someone wants to immigrate here legally and by the book, God Bless Em- but don't for a minute tell me that just because there are so many of illegals in this country that we must throw our hands up and open the gates- they will bleed this country dry just like they one they came from.

EVIDENCE OF THE IMPUNITY OF SOME OF THESE MEXICAN-"American" local elected officials: The Mayor of a rag-tag, slum city about 9 miles north of the Mexican border, ironically called "National City", has had the CAJONES to declare his city a sanctuary city! Now an "illegal" can walk in a couple of hours to a safe zone!That City Council should be "arrested", figuratively for showing their CAJONES publicly, in front of their "Sorry" City Hall ! If nearby San Deigo, is still AMERICA'S FINEST CITY...Then, CIUDAD NACIONAL is now among the most disgusting cities. There prehaps ought to be a "figurative fence" around this pathetic bario of a city!

When it comes to the serious problem of illegallity , which is what "illegal" immigration is, I don't like this picture of Sen. John Kyl. Just like I don't like the pictures of Sen. Diane Feinstein, in California, or Sen. Barbara Boxer, in California.

ALL of these people look far, far, too rested and relaxed. It indicates they are doing absolutely, nothing. Get rid of politicians who watch, when your house is on fire. They are to Americans of all stripes---------WORTHLESS.

Parking Ticket better enforced than immigration law.

IF IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, ITS A DUCK

There is no mistakes made by amnesty supporting politicians. This one is a clear greedy globalist, vote 'em out.

The 1986 law was a total, "NATION KILLING DEBACLE".Don't for God's sake let it happen again as our final death blow as a nation. Less than 3.5 of Americans,know that BOOSH has formed a new bigger nation to SUPER-CEDE the United States, and it's Constitution,as SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND! He signed the NORTH AMERICAN CO-PROSPERITY UNION into EXISTANCE in Waco,Texas in 2005, with FOX of Mexico, and MARTIN of Canda. He did not bring this to the attention of Congress. To put this in perspective,it would be like he formed a union with Cuba and made Havana the capital, and lets add North Korea,& Iran, so as to operate globally. If he made that deal, more or less unilaterally, he would be arrested, tried, and probably locked up in a prison all to himself, like Napoleon.If innocent people died in making that arrest, he would likely be charged with a capital offence. It simply boggles the mind that he has such cajones!

Amen Jon Kyl

Allan S apparently Bush is the only one with cajones the rest of our elected officials don't.

Jorge Castaneda, who has been part of Fox's administration, stated this in 1995.

"The Mexican government, along with the Bush administration until 1992 and the Clinton administration since then, drew up an accord among magnates and potentates: an agreement for the rich and powerful in the United States, Mexico and Canada, an agreement effectively excluding ordinary people in all three societies."

He described what they created as a social model in which the corporate investor is king. This happened long before this current administration and long before either of these two administrations. These people didn't come up with this stuff on their own. This crap has been brewing for a longer time than most of us realize.

Renato Ruggiero, the first director general of the World Trade Organization, stated in 1995:
"We are no longer writing the rules of interaction among separate national economies. We are writing the constitution of a single global economy." The use of the word "constitution" certainly carries with it the implication of a world government.

NAFTAs 1,000 plus pages gave international investors extraordinary rights to override government protections of workers and the environment. It sets up secret panels, rife with conflicts of interest, to judge disputes from which there is no appeal. It makes virtually all nonmilitary government services subject to privatization and systematically undercuts the public sector'a ability to regulate business. Politically, NAFTA and the WTO traded away the interests of the Democratic Party's blue collar electoral base, thanks to Clinton and Gore's efforts.

Clinton convinced Congress to approve the vastly expanded worldwide version of NAFTA. The World Trade Organization would generate political stability in the world, create jobs and prosperity according to him. "It is critical for United States leadership in the world," said Clinton. Gore said, "Should Congress fail, history will frown upon us." ( : { ) The World Trade Organization agreement contained 25,000 pages. What I find interesting was one of the provisions was worth $1.6 billion and it went to a cell phone company that was 70% owned by the Washington Post. How does one say "conflict of interest." One of its editorials just days before its passage said it "contains no surprises, no provisions that have not been amply discussed." Really...all this and it was 25,000 pages long? Who in the world believes that snow job? The language of this document, like that of NAFTA, sets up a supranational governance with powers to override what had previously been a province of sovereign states. There are certain principles and norms that are above the reach of any national legislature to alter, set limits on behavior of the governments, define the rights of citizenship, establish judicial systems to interpret their own texts in case of conflicts and provide for enforcement of courts decisions. In the nullification and impairment section of the WTO documents, it allows corporations to challenge laws of any country that can be shown to impair benefits that corporations could expect to receive under the WTO. For example, the Canadian government, on behalf of their asbestos industry, sued France for their domestic ban on asbestos, knowing that asbestos causes cancer. But...this is OK? There are 147 countries in the WTO just sitting around trying to figure who to sue and guess who will end up paying. Those who buy the products probably, taxpayers--definitely. Labor rights are not dealt with by the WTO--oh, no. They are dealt with under the jurisdiction of the International Labor organization, which is a tripartite organization governed by representatives of the governments, business and labor. It is a lot uglier than most citizens of this country even know about. Are people now remembering why the Democrats lost their 40 year control of the House after the Clinton/Gore leadership? Does anyone really believe the Democrats might save us?

Remember George Soros and his Open Society Institute. It operates in at least 50 countries. The Center for Public Integrity spent $24 million trying to defeat Bush remember. The Atlantic Monthly did an interview with Soros and this is one of the interesting comments he made at the start of the current administration. "Hijacking fully fueled airlines and using them as suicide bombs was an audacious idea, and its execution could not have been more spectacular." He is a primary funding source for the Democrats and he says this about how American citizens lost their lives on 9/11! He also helped the terrorist enabler, Lynne Stewart, the attorney who helped Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman smuggle messages to Islamic terrorist supporters in Egypt. His Open Society Institute paid some of her legal bills, by the way. George keeps much of his fortune, estimated to be over $7 billion in banks on the Dutch island of Curacao where his Quantum Fund is registered. There he can dodge US corporate taxes, even though he is based in NYC. He is on record stating that he wants affluent Americans to pay higher taxes. He operates a lucrative real estate company from Bermuda, where he can also avoid US taxes. He is for the legalization of drugs, euthanasia and progressive taxation (just don't tax him). "In just a few short years, he has developed a defamation pipeline that can instantly injure anyone in the United States. George Soros is public enemy number 1 for traditional minded Americans. Soros is truly an imposing force and his elite media allies are making even more so. We ignore him at our peril." Bill O'Reilly, Culture Wars, 2006

The US now has the widest gap between the rich and the poor of any industrialized nation in the world. 1% of the population controls 40% of America's assets. More billionaires have been created in the last 15 years than during any other time in US history. The IRS commissioner has stated that nearly $200 billion a year in taxable incomes are not being paid though the actual amount is probably higher. In fiscal year 1989-1990 Clinton/Gore and Congess cut the number of permanent IRS employees by 26%. They cut the number of IRS office examination staff, including revenue agents and tax auditors by 34%. Tax related prosecutors are half what they were 20 years ago. Why in the garish flouting of our tax laws would public officials reduce resources available to enforce those tax law? Aren't the Democrats always saying they are for the little guys, who are now going to have to be the ones who pick up the tab? Something was set in motion long before our current administration.

Billionaires are renouncing their citizenship, so they don't have to pay taxes, yet are able to come here for months on end because the law barring their re-entry is rarely enforced. Virtually, untaxable offshore bank deposits (not just from US citizens) are estimated at over $3 trillion. In 1956, the taxes from corporations provided 28% of all federal tax revenue. It is now only 10% and there are a lot more corporations and a lot more wealth. In 1995, 84 millionaires, who hadn't fled the country, filed tax returns on which they owed no income taxes. 17% of roughly 7500 corporations with assets of over $250 million filed returns claiming they owed no income taxes. America is still the greatest show on earth, and taxes are still part of the price of admission. No one should stand above the law.

Yearly, there is the Party of Davos that occurs at Davos, Switzerland. It's hosted by global corporation and some 2000 CEOs, politicans, bureaucrats who will network. Americans who participate are bipartisan and have recognizable names. There's also a Party of Porto Alegre, the NGOs who meet at the same time in Brazil. There are demonstrations going on all over the world as well as in this country because we all don't want to be a part of one big shopping mall. How many of us want a global ruling class, where only the elites of the world benefit from the wealth trickling down. Clinton, Gore, Kerry, go often so maybe they can explain their participation there.

What is happening with this country is part of what our leaders have signed away--our future for what? It is imperative that people who vote look at voting records and find out who participates in these organizations that are trying to destroy our nation. It cannot all be an intriguing confluence of circumstances, now can it.

If you want to find out who Jon Kyl's true masters are, then just look at his top 20 campaign contributors for 2006, which is available at:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.asp?CID=N00006406&cycle=2006

The list is as follows:

1. Snell & Wilmer $46,650
2 Squire, Sanders & Dempsey $36,050
3 Viad Corp $35,400
4 Pinnacle West Capital $33,250
5 Citigroup Inc $30,650
6 DaVita Inc $26,500
7 Nelnet Inc $23,800
8 Robson Communities $23,200
9 Cerberus Capital Management $22,900
10 Fennemore Craig PC $22,586
11 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $21,950
12 Bank of America $21,700
13 Farnsworth Companies $21,000
14 America West Airlines $20,950
15 Shamrock Foods $20,900
16 American International Group $20,400
17 Steptoe & Johnson $20,227
18 JP Morgan Chase & Co $19,700
19 WPP Group $19,250
20 Clear Channel Communications $18,700

Notice that Kyl's paymasters include Law firms with large practices in immigration and corporate law, users of H-1B workers, and businesses that employ (or pander to) illegal aliens.

That tells you all you need to know about Mr. Kyl, doesn't it?

Jon Kyl, Jim Pederson, two worthless politicians playing the game of political spin at the cost of American Sovereignty. Just like Barbara Boxer, and Diane Feinstein of California, there are two Senators in Texas just as worthless. Senators, John Cornyn, and Kay Bialy Hutchison, both talk out of both sides of their mouths. Both are playing both sides of the fence in an attempt to stay in office. Kay B. Hutchison is up for reelection this year, her Democratic oppent is even worse when it comes to giving amnesty to illegal aliens. I'm asking all fellow Texans to look at all the independent candidates. We can no longer abide any politician who supports criminals at the cost of American citizens.

Back to Houston, our group Borderwatch has been approached by the police union to participate at a rally in front of city hall to push our officials against the wall on "sanctuary" policy. We have a "crime quilt" that I had been putting together when this story broke.The mayor is sweatin bullets and there is some movement to get ICE to coordinate a fingerprinting data-base set-up to start a serious data-base on offender illegals drug in to be booked. They still are resisting the overturning of the gag order but with cops and council-member Sekula-Gibbs who was walked out on( when she spoke about the policy to get the mayor to rescind)and a talk-show host and member of council, Rep. Culberson(maybe),plus me citing these cheeky blogs and crime stats..who knows what we can do.wish us luck. It took a cop to die before these La Raza -lovin politicians got busy.Any succinct suggestions for the council when I speak for three minutes on Tuesday to get the gag order removed?

Kyl has a decidedly mixed record on illegal immigration, but his opponent sound like pure BAD NEWS.

The last thing we need is another Senator from Arizona who's a Ted Kennedy clone, so those of you in that state, I hope you vote for Kyl. Do so as reluctantly as you wish, but do it.

One (former) member of congress who did NOT see the screening was the aptly named Dick Armey. (See his militant position here: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/15622572.htm
and if you like, send a love note to his own private Trojan horse; "Freedomworks", its called.
http://www.cse.org/
and or toll free (meaning Dickey pays the freight-JUST LIKE HE WANTS US TO DO WITH HIS HOARDES) 1 888 564 6273
You know folks, there just aint enough love in this dusty old world. Lets send some Dickys way;)

We have a U.S. that has been gripped by the hand of American born Mexicans. Our laws and our government are handicapped and ineffective against the Mexicans for some reason. Even our law enforcement personnel are being arrested and tried for enforcing our law. Whatever the reason is for the manipulation of our government, I urge people to wake up any way possible, get all the information possible. I can hardly wait to see this film. Congradulations for the popularity of this film.

I plan on getting this DVD when released. I also plan on asking my congresswoman if she plans on watching it. Everyone here should make sure your congressman/woman see this.

Brian

Angus, I remember listening to Dich Armey being interviewed by a talk show, years ago. He went on to babble about how there' no need for a minimum wage, and how there was no minimum wage when he was a youth and worked all kinds of manuel labor jobs.

Apparently, this ass, does'nt realize that it isn't the late 1940's or 1950's anymore, when employers had to compete to get people to come work for them. No, the fat, bloated, Dick Armey types, have received the benefits of an America that once was, and that, if it's up to him, will never be again. He makes me puke.

LET'S NOT THROW THE LIBERAL BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER

I agree that liberals now call me Conservative on illegal aliens, but that's ludicrous too, I'm a 90s liberal. 90s Liberals didn't want amnesty either.

Same with Michael Moore, some of his facts about the Iraq War were true in my opinion, some were not in other's opinions.

We can all agree in FAIRUS.ORG, Liberal or Conservative, George Bush's support of amnesty is ludicrous.

Anyone's support of amnesty is ludicrous. How in the world is it ever OK to just totally forget the crimes that foreigners commit when they enter our nation. These are crimes against US citizens and our country itself. It is never OK to pretend these didn't happen because all of us don't choose to live in some sick politically correct deluded state. We all believe in the letter of the law for it creates social order. What does amnesty create but more discrimination.

Your right about that sofwarengineer, as a matter of fact 90% of the things GW does are ludicrous. No party lines when it comes to amnesty the answer is NO

Why can't we get Boarder Wars on Fox TV or Lou Dobbs Now? Where can we purchase it? With election time looming lets get out in the publics face.

I go to the site, enter, it downloads all the way till about an 1/8 of an inch from the end of the bar.

Is this a movie for online? Is what I am trying to get to a movie trailer? Ad? What?

The site says nothing much about it... what it is, etc...

Stein Report -- How about a link or explaination on the movie, or ???

We need to have copies (if DVD) sent to all house of reps and senators, campaign centers, etc...

Most people now know the issues by now. What they do not know is which congressman and wannabes are on the publics side. Mass emails could be used to post the urls of people like Armey.The public easily saw through the scam Pence was trying to pull. Let the bad guys condem them selves with their own words. Maybe the public will vote them out.

I wonder why the DEA isn't seen busting drugs on the border? I wonder why the border guards were punished instead of the drug dealer? I wonder why drugs keep comming in when we could stop them with a fence? Not a virtual fence, which they can get drugs around, but a real fence. I wonder why the Indians get to keep half the drugs they confiscate? What do they do with them? I wonder if any of the Senators are getting paid off by Mexican drug dealers? It just seems like it would be really easy to stop the drug dealers walking across the border with bales of dope and cocaine, why aren't they? Why don't they watch these tunnels for months and follow the drug dealers to all their contacts? You know, all the street dealers. They could bust hundreds of dealers when they find a tunnel. Oh well, I'm not smart enough to figure these things out. It seems like the Mexican drug dealers are protected by our government instead of arrested.

When in the hell are we going to start using tech such as infra-red sensors and other types of tunnel sensors to find all of these tunnels. God only knows what the hell is being smuggled into my country.

Brian

And that impotent current president of mexico and the next impotent president of mexico are strangely silent on how yet more of their corrupt government officials are invading our nation with their drugs, violence and disgusting people we are supposed to tolerate. I cannot for the life of me understand people so corrupt, so inept at functioning as Vincente Fox and his administration. How can they even look at their sorry selves in the mirror in the morning. They are not men, they are not males--they are children who are need of products from DEPENDS to pacifiers. My God, I hate this disgusting country and everyone in it, everyone from it and I just wish some enormous national disaster would just take it off the face of the earth. How is the Catholic Church going to explain this one away, when they are whining about how we need to help the poor of Mexico? To quote Jay Leno..."Shut up!" If this doesn't prove that mexico isn't our friend, then what does it take? Drop the bomb on them and make them go away!

Like this (corrupt Mexico) is any big surprise to anyone, but our government officials who choose to be blind and concern themselves only with providing help to "poor immigrants." God, the ineptness and inaction of our government is sickening.

ITS A BIG HAPPY ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILY OVER THERE

I imagine the Mexican Mafia pays the Mexican Border Guards well too.

Any individual can sue Intel for not following the rules on HB1 visas. Just watch and when you can find someone who is overstaying, sue them for 100 million.

This issue really hits home with me. I work in the information technology sector, and I recently was laid off from a healthcare service firm that contracts with Perot Systems for indian software programmers and testers. Some of the indians are here on H1B visas and some are employed by Perot overseas. One of the Perot indian “Quality Assurance” engineers went around behind our backs telling the management that the American tech workers were “unproductive” and that the Perot offshore team in india could do a better job. Sure enough, the company I worked for laid me and other Americans off while keeping all the indians. A former co-worker still employed at this firm told me that the company even brought over more indians after the Americans were laid off. This person told me that quality has suffered but management doesn’t care because the labor costs are lower now. I replied that since this company is in the pharmacy services industry they BETTER care about quality.

It’s time that liberal and conservative citizens put aside their social differences and unite against the executives who are bankrupting us and our nation for the sake of their own short term profit.

The H-1B visa is a method used by "Rat Employers" to import foreign skilled workers to displace American workers at wages Americans could not exist on. I saw this done in Silicone Valley in Northern California in the 1980's. The "Rat Employers" would contract whole apartment complexes to house the foreign workers. They could bring these people in, pay, and house them, cheaper than hiring Americans because they could work these people long hours without just compensation. When local news agencies started asking embarrassing questions, the "Rat Employers" threatened to pull all advertising, which of course stopped that. The H-1B visas have effectively curtailed Americans from entering the engineering field because Americans know they can't make a decent living at it as long as these "Rat Employers" are allowed to undermine American jobs with extremely cheap labor.

Intel just announced a major layoff but are still trying to get more H1-B workers. Where is hell is congress on this issue? Intel and Microsoft both are UnAmerican as you can get.

Brian

Intel is going through a massive restructuring with large numbers of people being laid off, so why do they need foreign workers?

I do not feel sorry for Andy Grove, founder of INTEL. Over the years, He has routinely opened Plants on foregin soil, to avoid; paying decent wages, compliance to labor laws and taxes. Just this past week, the INTEL Headquarters in Santa Clara, California laid off approximately 250,000 Employees. Is this so they can hire 350,000 H-1B Visa Workers to replace them? If these are the Values this "brilliant" Immigrant from Hungary (Grove), brought to the United States, he is certainly in the "Greedy Globalist Club" and is truly not a "Real" U.S. Citizen. Citizenship papers do not instill values. The United States has plenty of Tech Professionals. These Greedy CEO's just want to "import cheap labor" to increase profits. I know many "U.S.-born scientists" who left the Industry as they were replaced by this "import labor force" who would work for far less.
My spouse and I just paid more for furniture as we chose "Made in the U.S.A."(we even chose a manufacturer known for its American Workforce) We could have refurnished the entire room with new foreign made. The "Made in the U.S.A." furniture we are replacing is 15+ years old which says something for American Made workmanship. I am concerned that soon there will be no "Made in the U.S.A. " products from which to choose.

The corporate execs and members of our bought-and-paid for congress like to mouth off about how H-1B allows us to tap into the “best and brightest” talent from around the world and how our economy would crumble without these workers. Well, I beg to differ.

VDARE recently published an excellent analysis which details the various failures and problems encountered by companies who import H-1B workers.

This article is available at -> http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_082606.htm#b3

Pay special attention to the connection between the voting machine companies and H-1B. This could explain why those machines are so unreliable.

Why don't Intel and Microsoft start their own college? They could have associate and bachelor degrees in tech, and offer whatever pay they wanted. Provide wage increases with experience and teach the American kids exactly what they need? Or, they could get the hell out of America.

I know someone who has worked for Intel since that person got out of college. The pressure on the workers of that company has been so great for the past couple of decades that a great many of this person's coworkers, besides themselves, have been on anti-anxiety or anti-depressant medications for year and years to try to cope with the abuse of this company. I don't understand the belief that ruining one's company's reputation is the way to go. How in the world does one can thousands and then turn around and say they need workers?

This is exactly what the healthcare industry has done however. Those of us who have over 20 years experience get laid off and the facilities cry that there are no workers. They just don't want to pay the salaries for the experience. It makes no sense to me when one considers productivity, the fact that fewer mistakes would be made and there would be stability that occurs when people have worked together for a long time and the team is really clicking.

DC politicians silence on this matter is deafening!

To Intel, Microsoft and others America is just a place, like any other, to exploit people and make a few stockholders richer. This is how far their feelings go for the country and its people, despite the fact that it was Americans that made them rich in the first place. And have you ever noticed when they all talk about giving back, its always to some foreign country.

ENGINEERING ON THE CHEAP

Oh yes, there are significant amounts of unemployed engineers and ITs in the USA, similar to the general unemployment rate. Still, they bring in more and more unknown numbers of H-1B Guest Workers.

CNN asks them how many are here, they say, "we don't know."

Perhaps the Greedy Globalists in the USA really mean, "we don't care and go to Hades, CNN"?

I'll pick a number out of the air, there's 10-20 million illegal aliens working in the USA, so I say there's 10-20 million H-1B guest workers working in the USA too. My guess is as good as any.

I am fortunate enough not to have been harmed economically by H1b yet, but I and my family recently had a bad experience with an H1b import and his family. Over two years ago a man from India rented the house next door to me. He told me that had just been hired by Nortel Networks. He mentioned that he hoped to get a green card eventually so he could get off of H1b. He seemed quiet and well-mannered at first. But then his wife and two children soon joined him, and the *FUN* started. They played what sounded like
Hindu-style music at loud volumes at nights and on weekends. They even took one day out of the year during the summer to have a ritual to PRAY TO SNAKES IN THEIR BACKYARD!

Our family thought about moving, as many citizens do when confronted with third world style deterioration. But instead, we stood our ground and filed police reports about the loud music. After more than a year of getting visited by the police on nights and weekends, the offenders finally moved out. It was a tough battle but our self-esteem is much higher now because we stood up for our rights. The third world invasion is so widespread that chances are if we had moved to another city we would have been faced with the same type of wretched behavior all over again.

In addition to the financial hardship that this program causes citizen workers, we should also consider the cultural impact of importing so many third world people to work in critical industries.

This is cool. I know a "high tech contracting firm" owned by a clever Indian feller who "hire" H1B candidates left and right without actually giving them a job. His company only provides a facade. Once H1B visa is secured his hired fellow countrymen are required to find a real paying jobs somewhere else and then he subcontract them to these positions. He pockets the money as a middlemen, foreigner employee is happy being rescued from his own country (boy,if you were in India or China recently you might understand why) and the business who actually pay the H1B dude is happy too, having a desperado who will do absolutely anything for an ultimate price, staying in the U.S. The money for the job is only an extra benefit.

So we wait until after the election to push through legislation that most Americans do not want. Is this the way we are represented?

If there is truly a shortage, then give grant money and incentives to American students and American colleges and high schools. Americans would flock to that field like bees on honey. With all the people in this country, I find it hard to believe that there is a shortage of anything.

I know someone who graduated from Georgia Tech and had to go all the way to Pennsylvania to get a job in the IT field.

It's almost impossible already to find anything made in America. Made in America company's should advertise so we know who and where they are.

My husband is still looking for work in the electronics field he went to school for mean time we have to pay the student loans.

With all the stuff going on in the house and senate today and tomorrow we may not have to worry, GW will have dictatorship papers and we will have to work where he want's us to and for whom or we will be considered terriorists and put in jail in some 3rd world country and then they can bring over all the cheap labor they want and the Americans won't get in the way.

God Help America

Sickening! These two companies mentioned here have made billions off the backs of americans and it appears they are not willing to put the money back into the men and women of this country! If they need more educated IT or other types, then all those bill gates billions he is collecting he could put into a super high tech training program or scholarships for elevated high tech programs in our colleges. I am a IT in the Navy and have lots of young kids working for me... it is shameful that they are trying to get their degrees in IT and serve the country in IT jobs... while the civilian sector they are counting on is selling their jobs down the road for cheaper wages saying that they do not have enough talent in the states! Bull----! There are so many talented and skilled folks out there that they will not hire... why? They now want to bring in hadji or radji from hindustan and pay 1/3 to 2/3 the wages...pocket more profit!

Americans need to wake up and kick some congress ass to stop this outsourcing of America!

The FIRST thing most H-1B's do when they get here is have a kid aka Anchor baby; their kid will be a U.S. citizen. That way they dont have to go back when their visa has expired. They can stay, bring the 30 other family members as well. So what is the point in having a visa program when somebody receives a visa, they are just gonna have kids here anyway?

My big question is why do we have to assimilate other cultures when those other cultures fostered the 3rd world atmosphere they came from?

When is it ever gonna end? Call me a Xenophobe, but we will be a 3rd world country unless we get a Sessions/Tancredo ticket in 2008.

Nothing less than the elimination of the H-1B program will be necessary to rebuild the American tech professions. As long as Big Business like Intel and Moto can cry "Stupid Americans" and pay bribe-contributions to politicians, we will have a never ending flow of job thieves. Maybe we can sabotage the H-1B by EXPANDING it; let's add on auto assembler, diversity officer and sanitation engineer!

The following quote (from the WP article) sent chills down my spine:

"With Congress due to recess tomorrow, advocates of the programs have given up on winning immediate change. Now they're hoping members of Congress will focus on the issue in the lame-duck session late this year."

Sure enough, Senator Cornyn (R-TX) wants to push thru his SKIL Bill (S 2691 in the Senate and HR 5744 in the House) that contains massive increases in H-1B Visas, Green Cards, and Student Visas.

You get text and the congressional record of this bill by going to http://thomas.loc.gov and entering S 2691 in the search box.

Cornyn's legislation will probably come up in a lame-duck session which is scheduled to begin on or about November 13. Inexplicably, FAIR and other immigration reform groups seem to have all but ignored this dangerous legislation. FAIR, Numbers USA, and Team America PAC need to quickly mobilize to defeat the SKIL bill. If this bill passes (either by itself or with its provisions included in an end of year Omnibus spending package), then hundreds of thousands of current and future American white collar professionals and their families will be economically ruined. Furthermore, Americans will be completely banished from these industries within 10 years.

I am appalled at the failure of our major corporations to invest in American citizens...Microsoft could have its own hand-picked, tow the company line prospects, right out of high school and college, but they would rather get the work done on the cheap and leave our citizens to spin in the wind!

We have to demand that Congress stop this nonsense and demand investment in our people. No more foreigners need apply!

CHINA IS STEALING OUR SECRETS

CNN reported yesterday that China has a laser now that can block our spy satelites.

The CNN report:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0609/28/ldt.01.html

How did they develop it?

According to CNN: they send their students over here and I imagine their H-1B Guest Workers infiltrate our high tech companies; the rest is just a copy machine I also imagine.

The military portion of our government is highly alarmed about this insideous Chinese laser, while our "fat politician" greedy Globalists portion are asleep at the wheel, as they don't want to step on any new world order cheap labor toes.

God help us!

Boycott? Leave all those iPods, etc on the shelves for a while. Don't flock to the stores for Christmas... That just might send a very strong message to a lot of folks.

I agree - it is BS that we do not have enough techs, scientists, etc. Educational opportunites are constantly being eroded, and we have American corporations investing in educations overseas for foreigners, gaining their loyalty, and undercutting Americans for jobs. Our schools are overrun with illegals, and our children are being deprived of quality educations.

Just another lousy excuse for hiring cheap labor, skirting employment laws, fattening their bottom lines, and thumbing their noses at Americans. Boycott them!

Idiots like those at Intel and Microsoft, should get the hell out of America, along with illegals.
American workers can do better without them!

It is almost over folks. Our republic is only a hollow shell. The Rockefellers ($11.48 trillion net worth) and Rothschilds ($100+ trillion est net worth), own all the Central Banks of the world, they own all the govts of the world, and they own YOU.

What a bunch of idiots who think posting in this forum changes reality that we are now slaves.

Oh God! The ignorance of so many ppl around here is as high as those sitting in the House/Senate.

1) Anchor babies is a NON-POSSIBILITY for H1-b folks. THe reason being that though a kid born here is a citizen cannot give permanent immigration to his parents in a reasonable time. You are talking about the kid growing up to becoming 7-8 yrs old, sponsoring the parents in family based visas category and then the parents have to wait till 10-15 years till the Priority dates become current, when the parents can get a green card. So, are you saying that the parents can maintain legal status for those 22-23 years and then get immigration through their kids? So, are you saying that so called "anchor babies" theory is still correct?

2) Intel laying off 250,000 ppl?? What are you guys smoking? Please give me some too so that i can forget all the problems too and smoke away my life in this ignorance bliss.

3) Laid off, sorry too bad. DId you ever consider the fact that probably your technical skills need a brush up? You need to be pro-active and take initiative in many things?

..I can go on and on ...

My only advise to all you people is to be level-headed, do some research before posting your comments. Otherwise you are just going to reveal the feet in your big mouths.

boreal, Before you condem your fellow U.S. Americans (if you are a U.S. American?), do your own research. Read some International Newspapers (many are underground) and you will discover that many these IT Companies are Global and have Plants and Employees in Places that YOU may have never heard of. Information made available to the U.S. Media is filtered through Governments that laugh at the concept of Free Press/Free Speech. Many of the Corporations are operated outside of U.S. jurisdiction (incorporated offshore), so that they are not required to reveal information regarding operations outside the United States. Your comments reaval that you just may be a Member of the Greedy Globalist Elite.

In the current era of globalization there are ONLY jobs and nothing called American jobs and Canadian jobs. So all these retards who speak in terms of protectionism should introspect about the American role in this process. Just remember one thing you can't have your cake and eat it too. On one hand you want the stock market to boom, real estate to boom and you want everyday low prices for your consumer goods. Well friends wake up and smell the coffee, this is not going to happen without globalization. All these pro protectionists commenting on this forum are trying to create a niche market for themselves and want to inflate their own salaries by creating a artifical scarcity in the workforce. I work in a firm in Silicon Valley which was set up by an Indian immigrant. He is a PhD in Microelectronics, which means that he is a million times smarter that all these buffons over here. Dont just sit on your asses and crib about the American dream coming to an end. Get on and move on with your life because now it is a global field and not some American elitist playground. I am an American and I can clearly see the current generation partying and boozing, while their competitors half way around the world slog their ass out and work hard even on weekends. Instead of complaning all protectionist buffons on this website need to get their act together.

prince_waiting writes:

"All these pro protectionists commenting on this forum are trying to create a niche market for themselves and want to inflate their own salaries by creating a artifical scarcity in the workforce. I work in a firm in Silicon Valley which was set up by an Indian immigrant. He is a PhD in Microelectronics, which means that he is a million times smarter that all these buffons over here."

What is the name of the firm you work at, and who is the Indian Immigrant you speak of? Is he/she here on an H-1B or did he/she immigrate with parents as a child? If you are going to post here and call us buffons then you need to give some specific facts to back up your claims, else your arguments will convince no one.

I have worked alonside H-1B techies for 10 years and I can tell you that very few of them could truthfully be called "the best and brightest". As a group, they are average at best, and many of them are very poor.

You want specifics? Well, recently I held a programming position at Verizon Wireless in Irving, Texas. They used H-1B IT workers extensively. We were developing a Customer Relationship Management software application using Java and J2EE. We did incremental releases (builds) every week. I routinely had to go in and correct compile-time errors in code written by several of the Indian H-1B programmers. Run-time errors in beta releases are fairly commonplace, but the code writtem by these H-1Bs from India wouldn't even compile!!! A number of the Indians didn't even know the basics of the Java programming language and had to refer to textbooks constantly.

As for your remarks about protectionism, do you even realize that manufactured goods going from America to China are subject to a 25% tariff levied by the Chinese? Also, goods coming from China to the U.S. are subject to only a 2.5% tariff, so you see, it is China, not America, which is practicing protectionism.

India practices protectionism also, since it is much harder for an American to emigrate to India than for an Indian to emigrate to the US.

Your so-called arguments are weak, have little if any basis in fact, and are of no merit.

Protectionist?!!! These new nouns, such as "protectionist" and "nationalist", used in a derogatory manner and in place of the old word, "patriot," only serve to convince me that our schools have been invaded and a couple of generations have been brainwashed. In the end, nothing will matter to you.

Shelby Moore --

We're not just posting on this forum. This is info / venting, and even this is being observed. We are also taking action. This forum has probably resulted in at least 200 e-mails from me alone to the President, Congressmen, candidates for office, editors of newspapers in a very short amount of time. FAIR sent lawyers to Hazelton to help them out. They also intervened in the sentencing of the two Border Patrolmen and that has been delayed indefinitely while it is being investigated. Over the summer vacation for Congress, we were able to voice enough complaints that the fence has passed both House and Senate and the amnesty program put on hold. We boycott places that hire / support illegals and send thanks to the ones obeying the law. I switched from Walmart to HEB the other day and went to the manager, told him I had switched, congratulated him on his polite staff and told him I noticed he was hiring the local high school students. So, see, it's not "just posting." Take some Cymbalta and join the fray.

If the US levies only a marginal duty on the goods then it is not China's fault, it is the US government's fault isn't it? If Americans are ready to pay 10 times the existing costs for their daily groceries then they are more than welcome to boycott the Chinese goods.
Remember my friends the terms of globalization and liberalization were invented in this country, only now Americans are realizing that it can affect both ways. American corporations want to sell McDonalds, Disney, IBM, Intel, Boeing, Microsoft brands all over the world and access larger markets to keep their corporate profits high and the stock market booming. So if you want to blame someone, please blame the American capitalist system first.
HP,also if you want a case for how Americans are not up for maths and science degrees, here is one. When our company was growing from a 6 employee form to a 30 employee hi tech enterprise, out of the 15 engineering positions, 10 were filled by foreign students with advanced degrees. This was done because only 5 American engineers turned up for job interviews in 6 months. The following fact will help you to put everything in perspective; My company is located in a university town which has a EE program ranked in the top 50 in the US. When my boss advertised for a secreterial position, he got 35 applications in one day!!!

prince-waiting, it is greed that is the problem. This country , made it's historic rise to the pinnacle of power, for the most part, without any outside help whatever. It could be completely self-sustaining. I think you have completely bought in to the bogus arguments of big business. The idea that Americans would have to pay 10x more than the existing cost of groceries is one I have heard before, and is totally absurd. A globalists strawman arguement.

Angry Tom,
No one should disturb others with loud music regardless it is Hindu-music or Christian Music. Let me ask you one thing, before you complained to police did you give him a chance that you were disturbed by the loud music? If you weren’t, I doubt your intentions. Probably he would have listened to you and would have reduced to the volumes acceptable to both of you.
I am sure your ex-neighbor is very well educated and intellect as he got selected to work legally in one of the great American technology company. This is a competitive world and America is competing with rest of countries. You can’t just close your eyes and pretend that nothing is happening around the world. America just closing doors to outside world is same world closing doors to America. There are so many great people in this country who understood competition and encouraging well educated and brilliant people to work here, to help the nation to have the competitive edge. H1B program or Outsourcing is good for the nation’s economy and that’s why they are there in the first place.
If you find there is any problem with policies, refine it by constructively participating in reforms and help the government. What ever you do should benefit the nation and its citizens.
Braveheart,
I would like to suggest you not to encourage underground, illegal news papers. Their intentions are playing with people’s weakness and make money. Be smart! If you have any doubts about how many people actually work in any publicly listed company, you can always obtain information from internet from legal sites like yahoo, Gartner etc. Do you know how many people means 250000. Don’t believe lies. Try to understand Boreal is not condemning a person, but the misinformation posted by a person. Now in your post you started making fun of Government by saying that free speech isn’t allowed. You are saying companies have illegal plants/operations etc. These appear to be insane to me. Probably I wrong, God only knows.
HP,
I am impressed with your reasoning. You were right. Not everyone is good. When a person is not competitive, and not performing as desired, it would be very easy to fire a H1B person compared to a US citizen for the nation. They can’t claim the unemployment benefits, which is a burden to the nation. H1B becomes out of status if he doesn’t have job for few months. He has to go back to his native country, so that he won’t be burden to the country. The system is well in place and most are playing by the rules. If anyone not following law should be brought to justice.
I know Verizon is having a major IT development center at Chennai, India. I pretty they started it because they liked the performance of the people worked here. So I assuming that management has noticed that the folks worked on H1B here is above average and they are getting more returns for the cost spent.
To all humans,
Treat people equal, judge them by their acts but not discriminate by color, race, faith, religion. I like America because it is country of laws and pro-immigrants(legal). I don’t how come many on this site forget that their forefathers migrated to here from somewhere else and post comments like these.

prince_waiting writes:

> "I work in a firm in Silicon Valley which was set up by an Indian
> immigrant. He is a PhD in Microelectronics, which means that he is a
> million times smarter that all these buffons over here."
>
> "also if you want a case for how Americans are not up for maths and
> science degrees, here is one. When our company was growing from a 6
> employee form to a 30 employee hi tech enterprise, out of the 15
> engineering positions, 10 were filled by foreign students with advanced
> degrees."

Ummm... if there are only "buffons over here" (sic), and you cannot find employable
Americans, and your owner is a "millions times smarter" - then why would he
locate his business here in America?

One simple reason reason Mr. AverageJoe and that would be consultation supplied by our firm to global businesses like Intel, Motorola and AMD. The chip design business has already been shifted to India and China because of lack of technical manpower in the sophisticated field of microelectronics, resulting in a loss of nearly 12 million dollars to the state of California. Also the US army and navy are interested in accessing our technology because they could not find any suitable mid sized 'American owned' business to give them that.

prince_waiting writes:

"if you want a case for how Americans are not up for maths and science degrees, here is one. When our company was growing from a 6 employee form to a 30 employee hi tech enterprise, out of the 15 engineering positions, 10 were filled by foreign students with advanced degrees. This was done because only 5 American engineers turned up for job interviews in 6 months."

That doesn't mean that Americans are "not up for" degrees in science and technology. It merely means that fewer American students are choosing to major in those subjects. American students recongize that, because employers prefer to hire H-1B foreigners at a lower wage, the opportunities for Americans in the high tech industries are fading fast. Economist Edwin Rubenstein has done studies which show that the number number of American students who graduate with engineering and science degrees rises and falls with the number of job opportunities in those fields.

Also, you should realize that H-1B, free trade, and government tax incentives for offshoring do not represent true free market capitalism. These practices represent corporatism, which is a system of government where wealthy executives and investors pay large amounts of cash to elected officials, who then craft economic policies which allow those who are already wealthy to amass even more wealth at the continued expense of the citizens. H-1B is a prime example of this, because to a large extent it uses taxpayer dollars to artificially depress the wages in key industries, which, in turn, financially harms the families of the taxpayers who are funding the program. All of this has occurred without the consent of the citizens.

Individuals should sue every single Senator for not enforcing our immigration laws. The president should be sued for not enforcing our immigration laws. The Mexicans have everybody paid off. If the American citizens want to keep America they had better FORCE the Senate to enforce the law. I think that this is what the Senate secretly wants but can't come straight out and say it. I think they have got in trouble and can't figure a way out. But, if we don't do it by January, there may be no time left. SUE the U.S. government for not enforcing our immigration laws.

Don't vote for Pederson in Az. Senate race. He's a guest worker advocate. Vote for Kyl but make him promise that he'll vote against the guest worker program and amnesty. He's got all these sheriffs advertising on his side, but I haven't seen a promise from him saying he won't vote for these things. I think the whole race is an immigration ballot. Kyl makes me nervous because if you look at his campaign donations they are from lots of big companies that could use illegals. e-mail Kyl and make him run an ad saying he'll vote against a guest worker program and amnesty.

I hope Mohawk's assets are seized the Turncoat/Traitors!

I'm glad that the 11th circuit reinstated the RICO case. With this as case law other lawsuits will be filed. We need to start with all the fast food places such as McDonalds and Wendys who are a major employer of illegal aliens.

Brian

I am loving this! Maybe it is time for more hardwood floors in America, installed by American citizens for American citizens.

Best case scenario
Greedy Business & Politicians Vs Greedy Lawyers.

Just sit back and watch.

Mr. Foster is going to have rich pickins. It makes me want to go and get a law degree. Sharp lawyers, who throw themselves into the immigration fray are going to get wealthy. Imagine the possiblilties for class action suits.

THE MIDDLE CLASS ARE MARCHING STANDING STILL

The average American household incomes are stagnant since the late nineties, yet greedy globalist price increases during that period were nonstop.

This lawsuit victory is for all of us.

Jaded, hardwood floors are the best easier to care for too.

There is no way to make our elected officials listen, they lie. Both parties are greedy and out for themselves and selling us out at every turn. Even McCain caved in to Bush do you thing any of the others will stand up to him?

I have never seen so many men without b***s in my life. Bush doesn't pay them we do, infact we pay him too. We can demand all we want we may have to stand up phyically to accomplish anything. Heard a bunch of war protesters got arrested for a peaceful demostration guess you have to be an illegal to have rights in America now.

Good...more lawsuits like this and maybe corporate America will get the message...but it would seem that very few in our judiciary have the "cajone's" to even attempt it...

Now we need to begin suits against public officials who aid and abet crime, provide taxpaid benefits to illegal aliens in order to pander votes for their careers, and anyone who wants to use our taxpayer resources to play Santa Claus for illegal alien or their causes, i.e. La Raza, etc.

I've always held that the RICO Act was the way to attack them where they will feel the most hurt. Now, what do we do about the State, County and Local Governments who knowingly close their eyes and either hire Illegals or - allow their contractors to hire Illegals? Does the RICO Act apply?

As for Senator Kyl - he does receive a lot of cash from profiteering big businesses, but, let us not overlook the fact that Bush came to Phoenix and raised $2 million and Laura came to Phoenix and raised $1 million and the RNC came to town and raised him somemore and now he has been endorsed - just recently - by McCain and a few other anti-american traitors, such as Ken Melhman, etc.

Also consider the fact that Kyl and Cornyn of Texas co-sponsored a reasonably good piece of legislation and then when Bush entered the fray - they abandoned that like it was a hot stove. Now, we see both Cornyn and Hutchinson embracing an anti-fence stance - but voting to build and fund 700 miles.

What does this all mean? Get ready to be disappointed once they get re-elected - and they will, because americans just love to be beat up and make promises to their children that will never be kept. Kinda makes us all look just like the politicians we keep putting back in office - doesn't it?

As for me - partisan politics can go to hell. I will never again vote for the lesser of two evils, because the demon you vote for works for the devil you don't.

I am prepared with my write-in candidates for 2008 and by writing them in - in 2006 - it will send a message that the battle for America has not ended in the mid-term, but will be carried over to the one that really counts. What joy we will have when we can have a pro-American President who is not afraid to sign all of the Executive Orders necessary to end this damnable curse!!

Do what you will - and vote for the devil in disquise. The American voter has been digging their own grave for many years - and frankly - I believe that most Americans have forgotten how to make real decisions when it comes to keeping the American Dream and the American Experience meaningful and alive.

Can you say: VIVA MEXICO? PRACTICE.

The hell with these people. Every year they bring in hundreds and thousands of migrants and then the migrants never return to Mexico. They are nothing but coyotes. If they get 1 illegal, they should be raided by the ICE agents. Who cares if the price of wine goes up? There is really no damn reason the growers have to have illegals.

There are 20 to 30 million or more people illegally in this country and not one of their sorry a$$es will pack a damned grape? Then, why in the world would we need to import more of them, when they won't pick a damned grape? What are they going to do for a living once they get here, if they won't pick a damned grape? If someone comes into this country to do an agricultural job, they should never ever get to do anything else in this country. If they want to do something else, they can go back to their homeland and do just that? I am so very tired of agriculture's incessant whining, their belief that the rest of need to pay so they can offer cheap wages. Don't grape growers get government subsidies? Why don't some of these subsidies go to increase wages so that American agricultural workers can have those jobs and make a living wage. Wine is a luxury item--it is not a necessity to life. How about using low level convicts to pick grapes. Hell, a lot of them have winemaking experience in prison cause they have made pruno. They would appreciate picking a grape or two. Does this make sense to anyone or has the death of common sense become complete in this country?

You are correct Bonnie and I feel the same way about them. Austrailia mechanized it's wine industry a long time ago, and guess what? It works.

If certain sectors of our economy need migrant workers, then there is no reason, none, why they need to be illegal aliens. There should be a way for the industries to work with government to get legal workers that we know who they are and their whereabouts. There is no reason why millions of illegals need to come here for x number of jobs, under the guise that we need them for jobs like those in the wine country.
Consumers certainly don't see a decrease in prices. Fruits, vegetables and other produce and I'm sure wine, were high as ever this season.
It is about time for all Americans, no matter what their livelihood is, to obey the laws of this country, the way the rest of us have to.

ONCE WE GET THE ILLEGAL ALIENS OUT WE WON'T NEED SO MUCH FRUIT AND VEGETABLES

Its a dog chasing its tail, over population begets the need for more workers. Cut population and we won't need so much harvest.

My God! This is what we have been saying for so long! Europe has long used robotics and mechanization..if they can do it, so can we!

I'm so sick of the excuses!

Time to get into the machine age, if they are so particular about their crops they should have more kids to work in their farms like they did in the old days.

I don't drink so I don't care about who picks the wine grapes. I had to quit buying Pepsi because they support illegals. Don't feel bad if the uptowners have to pay more for their wine.

I wholeheartedly agree with all of you. If businesses can't afford to pay a decent wage to their employees, they don't need to be in business.

The vineyards in Australia have been using mechanization for some time; and, believe me, it hasn't hurt the quality of their wines nor the quantity that they sell worldwide. From the inexpensive wines to the fine wines costing hundreds of dollars a bottle, Australian wine is recognized as among the best in the world.

They reason these cry baby grape growers are having trouble getting workers is NOT becouse of a shortage of illegal aleins.Its becouse now that there are so many in our country and they are doing all kinds of jobs, picking fruit is something illegal immigrants just wont do anymore. They can make alot more money by putting a hard working U.S. citizen out of work.

With an unlimited number of "legal" H2-A visas available, it's not about the availability of workers, it's about profit...employers pay for those visas, and are required to follow the provisions of providing housing or a housing allowance, meal breaks, workman's comp among the rules, but they know they can exploit illegals and not have to follow the rules...
Why do they think H2-A employees suddenly disappear once they get into the country? They know there is little being done to stop them and they can find plenty of work w/ better wages, some semblance of hygienic conditions and safety, rather than allow themselves to be used and abused by growers!

I say cutting off the illegals is the best thing we can do, because growers will realize that it's cheaper to simply offer decent wages and employ legal immigrants and Americans and if Congress had any cajone's, they would demand that employers look to welfare recipients, the homeless and even convict labor for their workforce...we need to stop the dole!

GOVERNMENT WORKERS CAN NOT SPEAK FOR THEIR AGENCY

In this case, the border guards appeared correct writing their Incident Reports. It protects them from "speaking for their agency".

A caveat though, since high level government officials were present, the Incident Reports should have been approved by border guard leadership before publishing them. This was likely the case?

If so, the complaint/paranoia by Congressional members is unfounded, as this is normal protocol and protects the government agency members involved.

I'm sure Congressional Committee members call their chairman before going to the press too.

I guess freedom of expressoin no longer applies if you work for the government or in this case the border patrol.

Brian

We are now close to living in a dictatorship. Both parties agree on such things as not allowing congresssman to talk to U.S. Border patrol agents. Is it just the Bush administration involved in treason, or was his father also involved. Or does it go back to Reagan and into the passed. Terrorism? I think Hannity and Limbaugh and o'Riley and the rest should start talking about what is happening right in our country. Who exactly do these people we vote for , represent?

Any person should be allow to express their thoughts regardless of whether it agrees with the "party line" of the administration. Supposely Congressmen are smart enough to know that there is disagreement with the party line. Also after 30 years of working in different federal agencies, I have never seen a Congressman running around without senior people. The only reason you would ask for something like a 'Special interest" is cover your self when you after someone.

What is the difference between having "situational awareness" of high-profile visitors and "keeping tabs" on congressmen(high-profile visitors)? This is a semantical ploy used by the U. S. Customs and Border Protection's leadership to immediately get on top of a negative story/incident. I worked breifly in law enforcement as a criminal sheriff's deputy and I never had to write up an Incident Report (Significant/Special or Other) if high-proifled persons were about. I know there are different rules for different agencies but this seems unusual. This is an agency whose leadership in my humble opinion that doesn't want to get caught with their drawers around their ankles. Here are a couple of mottos they should strive for: "Do it RIGHT the first time", and or "Be All(The Best) you can be". When you're following the laws that conform with the U. S. Constitution to the best of your ability, lead by example, and demand no less of those aspiring to leadership everything falls neatly into place. There is no need to look over each agent's shoulder or live in a constant state of paranoia. No need to come up with excuses as to why Significant Incident Reports are used when there hasn't been a shooting/etc. I can tell you that this type of leadership is cause for despair amongst the American People and the agents working in that enviroment.

I called the Arizona border patrol 5 times starting in 2003 to report illegal aliens showing up, in a town, that is now 50% illegal aliens. I was told the same thing everytime by whatever rookie was answering the phone that day. What I was told and have reported before is that: "There are politicians in Az. that don't want the illegal aliens stopped." Nothing ever done with my reports, conspiracy comes to mind.