Stirring up youth is a typical tactic of totalitarian, utopian radicals. Mao's Red Guard is a prime example. I can't see MeCha and Aztlan groups waving little red books anytime soon, but the intent for unrest and social upheaval is analogous.

I hope they go the illegals might think its more Minutmen. When these criminals do and say ignorant things not only does it help the majority that is against illegal aliens but it also makes me more determined. Keep it up, It just adds to the growing anger toward illegal aliens. Liberals and criminals have a word or an excuse for everything these days. Whats their argument? Its not right to protect America? Its not right to keep criminals out of America? If your against cop killers your a racist? Thats what their saying in so many words. They just hope people are as dumb as they are to believe such bull as racism.

I have to say... What do reformers expect, when they concentrate their protests at Illegals and their brethren at places like Baldwin Park, rather than the elected people and authorities who can actually do something about their presence here? I understand that people want to relieve their pent-up anger, I know I do, but making racist hispanic organisations and their clients into Worthy Advisaries is the dumbest way imaginable for going at this thing. It won't disturb Karl Rove's morning coffee, nor the Immigration Lobby, nor the Restaurant Association that buys off immigration enforcement. sheesh

You know what racism is?
A way for others to complain when they don't get their own way.
How dare America and Americans have a say in how their country is run! Who do they think they are? Citizens or taxpayers, or something? Europe and other countries, maybe?
If it seems like Latinos are being targeted, maybe it's because they are at the forefront of our immigration problems right now. Polls indicate that majority of Americans want ALL immigration stopped.

Unfortunately, the substandard IQ of these Hispanic militant activist (their young age makes it even worse) doesn't let them see the fallacy of their "Mass racismo!" argument.

Their "reasoning" goes like this. Because any meaningful control of America's Southern border will mostly affect Mexicans, as they are the ones who by and large violate it, doing so would have to be categorized as "disparate impact" and, therefore, a case of "racism". The fallacy of this "reasoning" must have been clear for any one except for the Mexicans who perpetuate it. If one accepted it as valid argument then one should also agree that during the last phase of W.W.II (1944-45), the American troops in France, Holland, Belgium, and Germany were involved in large scale racism because they fought exclusively against Germanic soldiers.

Read more in:
A "Racist"
http://americanpatrol.com/GUESTCOLUMNS/DWYER/Racist-050622-MAD_.html#cr

Yelling "Racist!" is about the easiest thing in the world to do. It takes no thought process at all, requires folks to have no evidence to back it up, and seems to make them feel a lot better. Trust me, the word is on people's lips around Alabama every day. But the fact remains- when a vast majority of the illegals are Mexicans, and an even bigger majority of illegals that aren't from Mexico still use it's border, it's asinine to shout "Racist!". Simple scenario- if a black guy breaks into my house and threatens me bodily harm, I'm going to shoot him. Folks may say "He's against blacks", but no, I'm just against a guy that broke into my house and happened to be black- just like these criminals that break into our country just happen to be mostly Mexican...

We all know what happens when you inflame the youth of the world! Our Minuteman volunteers showed incredible fortitude and restraint during their tenure in Arizona and during demonstrations in California. I'm sure the groups recruiting these young people hopes they will resort to strong-arm tactics and intimidation so they can use the RACIST moniker...it won't work.

I'm tired of illegals getting more attention and privileges than American citizens. It's time to send them home, put our welfare recipients, homeless, teens and college students to work...no more entitlements, no more illegals!

bamaburgess:

I always think of my state of California as the home of political correctness, but when it comes to being called "racist" we've heard it so long now here that eveyone considers it a bad joke at this point.

Sounds like you're suffering through some of the same leftist buffoonery in Alabama that we have had here.

Not to say we no longer have leftist buffoons here, it's just that nobody takes them seriously anymore.

Almost every headline in the Stein report has a link to "Read the full story". This one does not. The media still clings to their policy of NEVER reporting ANYTHING that would lead a reasonable person to wonder if hate might exist outside of conservative America.

We have a bad illegal alien problem here on Long Island. My friend Gabe spent two weeks in AZ with the Minutemen. I've been telling people for years that this would get so bad that Americans would be having to start to defend their country on their own soil. Well, here we are. I don't have much money, but I will support the Minutemen financially. If they start a chapter here in NY, I will join and participate. We are losing our beloved country. God help us before it's too late!!!

Its just a move to keep her job. She thinks the people in Arizona are stupid.

Does Janet have the b*lls to really do this? Is she putting her political career on the line?

Oh my gosh! You know, unless the majority of voters in Arizona are illegal immigrants then she shouldn't have much to worry about. The legal constituents of the state would probably re-elect her if she really barred illegals from getting state benefits. . . then the legal citizens of Arizona could have better health care, better education, etc. See, the domino effect could work that way, also.

This Angela Kelly, reffed to in the article, needs to get a grip on reality and quit shuffling responsibility off to the federal government for all that's wrong.

They need to get some ideas from that Pima County Sheriff that has barred his prisoners from coffee, television (except for the Weather Channel and Discovery Channel) and other luxuries and has them out working on a chain gang. I would love to hear some of his ideas on how to control illegal immigration.

Now if Janet could only convince John McCain to come out of his hole and respond to FAIR . . .

"The state can, I think, appropriately address some of the law enforcement resource issues……perhaps…? I think I want to deal with real solutions.

I think perhaps she is an even worse liar than G.W. Bush.

You go girl!

The governor is not doing nearly enough, and is vetoing the wrong things.
What is needed to control this problem, is for the federal government to get strict on this issue, and for state and local governments to then comply and work with the feds.
It can't hurt to give more power to the states. It doesn't seem like the federal government will make any moves, anytime soon, so why not empower the states? Anything is better than nothing, and maybe something could be worked out where states have some common elements in their laws.
Something needs to be done about this problem, and fast!

I hope the people of Arizona give her every accolade for her change in stance! Let her backpeddle and start pushing hard for immigration reform, then come November, vote her ass right out the door!

India needs to create their own industries in which to invest in their own people, rather than expect the US to provide employment. Further, the US needs to tell the world we will no longer "import" labor, we have an obligation to invest in American citizens.
I am tired of foreign governments reaping the benefits of their citizens working in the US and sending revenues home! More than $30 billion a year from illegals working here, could you imagine how much legal workers are sending home?

takn makes a good point regarding the obligation to invest in American citizens. The debate today centers around a question: should the United States be a nation at all, or should the nation be dissolved? To get a glimpse of how radical the open borders idealism is, one needs to look back into the history of economics.

Paul Craig Roberts, who was Assistant Secretay of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration, spoke at the Council for Foreign Relations's US-China Commission hearing on May 19, 2005 in New York. After discussing David Ricardo's laws of comparative advantage (which assume immobility of capital and labor, a classic assumption that favors international trade), Mr. Roberts said: "The old free trade argument that US labor has nothing to fear from cheap foreign labor, because US labor works with more capital and better technology no longer holds when US firms provide the same capital and technology to foreign labor."

He later went on to say: "Economists are not even aware of the latest and most important work in international trade. In 2000 M.I.T. Press published "Global Trade and Conflicting National Interests" by Ralph E. Gomory and William J. Baumol. This important work, which does not directly address the offshore outsourcing issue, shows that the comparative case for free trade is too unsophisticated to be correct even if its required conditions are met."

So, Mr. Roberts is clear with his message: policy today is naive and is based on distorted interpretations of outdated models. Does this surprise anyone? Mr. Roberts partially explained the situation as follows: "Indeed, one reason the facts of offshore outsourcing are evaded by so many economists is that they look with favor on the international redistribution of income and wealth that is occuring."

Frosty Wooldridge has commented on the redistribution of wealth, suggesting this is an American subsidy for the overpopulation problems of the Third World. If there were no overpopulation problem, and India and other countries took better care of their populations, there would be no need for this redistribution. America is playing the role of sucker here, bringing its own citizens down for the poor judgement and policies of other nations. But this is not cause for concern among American idealists, no matter what the consequences and pain for American human beings.

The very notion of a nation is at issue here. But if we play this game and say, okay, there are no more nations, does that mean American citizens can stop paying taxes to subsidize the game, or change citizenship on a whim, or refuse to protect corporations doing business in its nation via military, law and infrastructure? Of course not. Corporate charters are granted by society, and the corporation is protected by society, so the corporation exists for all stakeholders, not just the stockholder or owner. If corporate interests are the highest ideals, for the benefit of the very poor, then everyone in-between should let these corporate interests pay for their own armies and courts and roads and sell their products exclusively to those they employ at rock-bottom wages.

The unemployment rate for IT positions in this country is in double digits right now--11% was the last I heard. In September, 2000 the rate had reached 6%. Foreign borne workers that year comprised one fifth of all IT employees in the US. The percentage of laid off foreign born workers is slightly higher than US workers. Unemployment rates were 4.3% in 2003 and 1.2% in 1997. However, if they are laid off, they don't have to legally return home--just find a different job in a different field if they have to. 150,000 IT jobs were lost in 2001 and 2003 with 2/3 of them being programming. The industry is now doing data center consolidation and offshoring more of these jobs and sending more of our personal information to other countries. The future will have automation improvements and the development of "self healing" applications, so job growth might be affected. The growth has tripled in 20 years from 719,000 jobs in 1983 to 2.5 million at the industries' peak in 2000. There are also L-1 visas, which allow companies to transfer foreign employees into the US, which have tripled in use. The problem with these is they have to pay them the standard wage for that job title--the same as they would pay American workers. If they bring them in on the H-1B visa, they can rename their job and pay them half of what they would pay an American worker for the same job.

This is absolutely amazing!

Yahoo news reports that tech jobs will SHRINK 30% by 2015!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/tech_job_decline

But, we 'need' more H1-Bs? Would IT and TECH workers be facing double digit unemployment today had the H1-B visa scam not increased visa quotas from 65,000 to 195,000 from 2000 to 2004? Would US engineering programs be seeing such steep cuts in enrollment if the H1-B visa scam had never been started in the FIRST PLACE? When the universities give PREFERENCE to foreigners on research programs, FUNDED BY US TAX PAYERS, why would an American waste their time studying engineering or IT nowadays? And what about the effect of simply not wanting to spend your days surrounded by foreigners who seem to go one endlessly about how stupid Americans are and how much smarter and superior the 3rd world dump they fled is.

The reality is that H1-B has totally ruined engineering or IT as a career option for Americans. I realize that some outsourcing is inevitable. What angers me is that that India and Bill Gates want to IMPORT foreigners, usually from India, to do what’s left here in America! So, it’s outsource as much as possible and INSOURCE foreigners to do what’s left. We are getting it from both ends.

Now, they want to expand this scam to lawyers, accountants, and teachers and of course, nurse. Pretty soon, we will be told that 'Americans simply are not interested in pursuing careers in law, accounting, teaching, or even medicine'.

This proposal by India can ONLY be characterized as RACIST because they simply do NOT care what the effect on US workers will be---------they just want more and more and more Indians.

Meanwhile, Americans will be the ones asked to fight wars in far away lands while FORIEGNERS take our jobs here at home.

This is one reason why I actually hope for a DRAFT! If and when a DRAFT is re-instated, I figure it will be much harder to pull off these scams on the American ppl. Imagine Americans being drafted off to fight wars in far away lands…………….while H1-B foreigners are imported to do their jobs! Imagine American college aged men being drafted to fight wars in distant lands……………..while the ‘foreign student’ population SWELLS! Imagine the indignation then, when FORIEGNERS get first crack at research projects funded by US taxpayers?

THIS MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!

Thanks to FCannon for the most astute description of the link to open borders and globalization that I have ever read.

I am an unemployed research scientist having lost my position to 3 foreign H-1B workers (2 Chinese and 1 Indian). I worked my way through undergrad and grad school but now feel compelled to find another career path. Of the 10 or so in our core group of researchers more than half of the Americans have tried to move on to other fields sensing the lack of support from the institution. Two went to law school, three entered a chemistry grad program for environmental waste, and one tried to enter medical supply sales. Needless to say, most of the replacements came in on H-1B visas.

I undertand IT workers are really taking a hit too. What a waste! As talk show host Ed Schultz would say "this is a race to the bottom".

In 1998 while flying from San Jose to San Diego on a Southwest flight, I had the opportunity to speak with a self-described "upper echelon employee", from Intel. After some small talk I asked him where he was headed, and he replied "India". I made the obvious wisecrack about "taking the slow boat to China", and then asked why. He grinned and said,"So I can train Indian engineers to reduce our workload." After some prodding he went on. "I can hire 35 engineers at an engineering consortium in India to do the same job in 3-6 months versus the 1-2 years it takes 1-3 engineers in America do for the same price or less, when you figure the health benefits, profit sharing and all that. We've sponsored them for years on H-1 visas. I tell our engineers that their performance review will be affected by how well they train the Indians (Pakistani, Afghanis) for that 1-2 year period that they're here. When they return to their country, they join the consortium. We have a secure website. They post the design, and we evaluate and accept or ask for revisions over the net. If necessary we have conference calls or video conferencing, depending on the complexity of the issue." I asked about the effect that will have for employees in the long term? "Well, we're not in business for the employees. We're accountable to the share holders to make a profit. If I can get a product to market in one tenth the time at one third the investment, that presents a formidable advantage over our competition, at least for the short term. Soon, everyone will be doing it."
This is no b.s. story. This guy had no remorse whatsoever, a real company man. So when we witness the wholesale export of technology to foreign countries, the jobs are soon to follow, as they have done consistently for years.
Well there it is folks, the ultimate economic Judo throw. We've been told for years to invest in mutual funds and the stock market in order to secure our financial future. However, the combination of an aging baby boomer investment market, and the pressures of a global economy make for a catastrophic scenario. We are literally investing in our own economic destruction. As more baby boomers reach to cash in on their retirements, they will inevitably put more pressure on the markets to make more money resulting in more outsourcing (read jobs). Couple that with the pressures on MediCare and the unconscienable government embezzlement of the Social Security fund, and I predict that our children will inherit not just wind, but a debt that will crush our freedom as a nation.

I feel like rumplestiltskin. I woke up after a 40 year slumber to find foreign governemtns begging and demanding we allow more of their citizens be allowed to work here. What ever happened to govt's taking care of their own, rather than telling a foreign gov't to help them solve the poverty and unemploment problems in their countries? I hate to say it, because as a business person I always believed (or maybe it was just bought into)in free trade and the globalization of trade was the best approach to capitalism, but the globalization has made us a victim of our own success. We not only opened up trade to other countries and increased our own wealth, we also helped increase the mobility of labor and outsourcing of jobs to the lower wage countries. Additionally, as profits at US companies soared, the busines elites became more and more greedy, as well as they were forced to be more creative in reducing costs so the historical bottom line growth would be maintained. All of the elements, including the PC actions of our governemnt, have combined to create a perfect storm that I am not sure we can overcome. History repeating itself but either our gov't is too stupid to see it or just does not care.

This is the first step in creating a North American country. Desolving borders and creating a regional gov't system similar to the EU. I am no conspiracy nut but the writing is on the wall what Bush has in mind (and helps clear up his no action policy on illegal immigration). Just what we need, partner with a country (Canada) that hands out asylum like it is candy and liberal policies that will further choke our cultural identity, and a 3rd world corrupt country looking for handouts (Mexico). Worst of all worlds if this ever comes to fruition.

The devil is in the details. This idea sounds reasonable enough, and that’s what scares me. Consider who is supporting it. Who decides which travelers are “trusted”? How do they plan to ensure against fraud? Considering how corrupt Mexico is, how can we ensure that “trusted traveler” status isn’t granted to anyone with a pulse and a bribe? Be careful. This could be nothing but de facto open borders.

Once again, I agree with you, Weary Citizen.
This dissolution of America, is exactly what Bush and others have in mind.
There must be one h*** of a big payoff in it for all involved, that they would take a great country, and systemically watch it go down the tubes to the countries you mentioned.
I'm so sick of watching Americans get shafted everytime we turn around, (healthcare, debt, economy and on and on) and listening to lies about our need for other countries, helping them, or whatever, even as we slit our own throats for others.
We've all seen some of the problems countries of the EU experience. It's not all roses, tolerance and all that other pie-in-the-sky junk.
I shudder to think what a cesspool this country will be like in years to come.