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March 25, 2008
USA Today Op-Ed: Stop the H-1B Feeding Frenzy of Corporate Greed "Today we are watching an amazing spectacle: Many in Congress -- including Comments
Cool, If it's OK to cut workers wages by 30% then lets jump on the bandwagon. Lets cut our elected cruds wage s by 30%. I vote we start with the Texas Twit, Pelosi and Reid. Posted by: jmac on March 25, 2008 01:09 PM HOW COME WHEN BILL GATES SAYS THE OPPOSITE ITS MSM NEWS? I totally agree with this editorial, but its not an editorial, its American news! Posted by: Softwarengineer on March 25, 2008 01:56 PM Every new legal immigrant increases demand on infrastructure. and in turn, new demands for even more immigrants. And more illegal aliens. The insatiable hunger of business only results in more oil consumption, rapid depletion of our natural resources, increasingly crowded highways, shopping centers, national parks. More taxes and more consumers of government services. More, more, more. What do you get with each new arrival? Congestion, pollution, demands for more mining, coal plants, nuclear plants and the drilling of ANWR. You cannot decrease energy demands by increasing immigration. You cannot decrease reliance on foreign oil by tolerating 20 million illegal aliens. The trade deficit worsens with each new consumer/immigrant foisted upon the American People. There is a natural balance that should be respected regarding available resources, whether it be food, water, oil, or human resources. Greed has no respect for nature, no respect for balanced economic models, and no respect for human beings. No respect for the consequences. Urge your representatives to support MIRA, Tom Tancredo's H.R. 946, the Mass Immigration Reduction Act. Posted by: jeebie on March 25, 2008 02:46 PM GREENSPAN IS AN OLD SENILE FOOL! Let's face the facts, the majority of H-1B visa holders possess no special skills that their American counterparts lack... They are desired because they come CHEAP... The average H-1B foreign worker is paid 20 percent less than a comparably qualified American Worker. The reported wages for 84 percent of H-1B workers were below the median U.S. wage, and 51 percent were in the bottom 25th percentile of U.S. wages. H-1B is a big scam... It`s nothing more than cheap foreign labor, for greedy big business.
Posted by: American Me on March 25, 2008 03:15 PM During my two years in a top MBA program, I had the chance to ask Bill Gates a question on this subject. I did so in an auditorium full of people when Gates came to talk about the future of technology, and at the time, there were some press reports on the threat India and China posed to U.S. software companies floating about. So I asked him what sort of risks global technology and cheap programming labor posed to Microsoft. Afterwards, classmates complimented me on the question and several couldn't understand his answer. Bill Gates said he has trouble finding management talent because few people "think through the loop." He said cheap programmers "benefit me," so why should he care? This was a revealing admission. In other words, Bill Gates holds a worldview in which everything loops back TO HIM and the American people will dutifully protect his monopoly and franchise through our legal system, military, diplomacy and the like. He's rich, he owns the company, and he gets anything he wants. Anyone who sees it differently "doesn't get it." But Congress is supposed to represent the national interest and the American people, and our representatives don't have to agree with a national policy built around Bill Gates's personal interests. Congress must think about a broader "loop" that includes the national interest, including our ability to service the national debt by having full employment. Microsoft is recognized within the IT community as a company that does not innovate. Instead of innovating, they use their Windows monopoly to acquire innovators, and in the case of Netscape, even squash them. Meanwhile, Apple Computer, a company whose stock has soared while Microsoft's languished, is an innovator, yet doesn't beg Congress for H1-B visas. Sure, Apple does import select foreign workers, but nothing on the scale of this unwise and undemocratic bill. Posted by: Concerned Citizen on March 25, 2008 03:28 PM CORPORATE SLAVE POLITICIANS, PLEASING THEIR CORPORATE MASTERS! Posted by: Independent on March 25, 2008 04:03 PM Microsoft is Building massively over here east of Seattle. I think that they already know that they will get all the H1-B's that they want. This Congress is bought and paid for by people like Bill Gates, airlines and big oil. Goodbye America.
Posted by: press2_4english on March 25, 2008 04:14 PM So the master plan is to make American workers paid even less than they were in say, 1850. I heard McCain speak today- I think he had a halo superimposed over his head, he said here is straight talk on the economy- "Things really suck big time for you lowly peon Americans, I'm rich cause I had the right connections and you lowlifes don't-so get over it -middle class America is dead. " Let's start a Most Wanted List, complete with picture,addresses, and any personal information that provides leads as to how to find the greediest, sell out bast*** ceo's and politicians who have screwed Americans out of their middle class standing. Let John Walsh of America's Most Wanted head up this program. Bring these sell out criminals to justice- Put them on trial for treason. Posted by: Future Day Laborer on March 25, 2008 04:45 PM do you so called patriots who despite having a government that is a traitors still belive that BUSH, MCCAIN, HUSSEIN OBAMA and Hillary care about you? Posted by: impeachbush on March 25, 2008 08:38 PM [FAIR edit] Posted by: Sandy on March 26, 2008 12:10 AM I totally agree that we should cut the salaries of the politicias, and the people should also require for more competetion, to put the end of the monopoly of bill gate. also remember it is the people who has the final word. Our politicians should not be selling out America , instead , they should be invested in our fellow Americans childrens ,instead of continuing bringing foreigns to take Americans Citizens jobs.... Posted by: AMERICANCITIZENSFIRST on March 26, 2008 01:24 AM Two House members, Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona and Lamar Smith of Texas, have introduced bills that would double or triple the number of H1B workers that are currently being brought in. If either of these bills passes, there will be massive layoffs to make way for the new wave of job thieves. Then the new H1B people will all feel entitled to green cards. Should these foreigners get green card sponsorship, then you can expect more fake job ads and bad faith interviews of American job applicants, all done in order to game the Dept. of Labor regulations for green card sponsorship. Anyone who has seen the infamous *How not to Hire an American* video on YouTube knows exactly what I am talking about. In this video, immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explain how they assist employers in running bad faith recruiting scams with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants, and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans in order to secure green cards for H1B workers who are ALREADY WORKING IN THOSE ADVERTISED JOBS. In these cases, the American job seekers are not even told that the job ads and interviews are part of a Labor Certification process for green card sponsorship, thus they are being defrauded without their knowledge or consent. Posted by: Karl on March 26, 2008 07:43 AM NO H1-VISAS TO INDIANS!! WE DO NOT NEED MORE INDIANS HERE, WHO STEAL AMERICAN JOBS!! LET'S BILL GATES TAKE ALL THESE PEOPLE WITH H1 VISAS, LET HIM FEED THEM IN HIS HOUSE, BUT NOT IN AMERICA. IF BILL GATES SO DEEPLY WANT ALL THESE THIRD WORLD FOREINGERS, WHY DOES NOT HE MOVE HIMSELF TO INDIA????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Posted by: jack on March 26, 2008 08:59 AM Calling us H1-b folks job-thieves just shows how naive you stupid blokes here are...Its the American employers that sponsor H1-B and its the Congress that enacts the various laws that govern the number of these visas. No wonder your stupidity is paying you dearly! If you really have to vent, vent against the people who make the laws, dont bark at H1-Bs and stop name-calling, as you can see we can respond in kind too... And nobody here feels entitled...ppl will follow the rules and because H1-B is dual-intent, ppl would apply for Greencards..if you feel that strongly against it, then go, talk to the senators and congressmen and stop the program...And better yet, support the liar Loo Dubious for President..ofcourse, he wont even bother to run for Presidency, even as an independent coz he is not in this for "middle-class upliftment"..he is just here to influence your small brains and make good moolah out of it...You people remind me of the Muslim herds in my own country that get influenced when mullahs bark from the speakers at 5AM in the morning..only difference is those herds dont have any education and let themselves be influenced and you guys are so called "educated" (yeah, in fine arts!!!!) and still manage to be influenced by the leftist propaganda... Enough of your bs againt H1-Bs on these boards already!!! Posted by: boreal on March 26, 2008 01:53 PM ...And my previous comments were only in response to the name-calling and general hatred in these boards against the H1-B folks... Doubling or tripling the H1-B quota is definitely not the right answer to the current problem...tightened regulations on Consulting companies is...that way every employer can get a fair share of these visas and the visas dont run out on the first day itself... Posted by: boreal on March 26, 2008 02:06 PM It won't be enough boreal until the H1-B travesty stops. That's when our fight will end, and not a moment before then. Are you feeling threatened by even more of your kind? After all, at some point the new H1-B's will surely be willing to work for even less than you are willing to work for. We call this "putting the shoe on the other foot." How do you like the fit? Posted by: melena29 on March 26, 2008 03:03 PM I think the laws should be changed so companies would have to use employment agencies instead of getting H1Bs. Hudson in Chicago got me a cool fun job that paid $25 per hour. If anyone is foolish enough to think there's not enough talent right here. I can find qualified applicants in less than an hour.. Problem solved. Posted by: Dave A Berwyn IL on March 26, 2008 03:56 PM boreal; These fat, lazy, over consuming Americans who cannot compete with better qualified Indians gather here to whine because that is the nature of LOSERS! Rather than spend time polishing up their skills, they spend their time on racist boards like this whining! They do not realize that globalization means the best and brightest will be hired irrespective of borders! These whiners think that just because one of their relatives died in some stupid long ago war, or because they were born here, they are ENTITLED to be hired ahead of better qualified Indians! THEY ARE MISTAKEN! These whiners would be better served spending their time fighting the illegal aliens from Latin America who bring us nothing but crime and disease. They are so blinded by hate they cannot think rationally and realize that this country benefits by allowing highly skilled immigrants to enter on visas! SHUT UP ALREADY AND LEARN TO COMPETE OR GET LEFT BEHIND! Posted by: Raj on March 26, 2008 04:44 PM H-1B TROLLS Actually, thank God for Boreal and the other Stein Report trolls that bad mouth honest Americans that blog this site. They make it intuitively obvious they do not like Americans, especially those that compete for their jobs. On the otherhand, why is it even remotely evil for real legal American voters like us to want to work for a decent wage in our own country; without being overran with slave rate foreign overpopulation by greedy slave corporations that we the voters didn't want? Posted by: Softwarengineer on March 26, 2008 05:34 PM RAJ, BOREAL, AND THE REST OF YOU INDIAN RACISTS, WHO AMUSE US WITH YOUR NONSENSE ON THIS BLOG... JUST CLICK THE LINK AND SEE THE H-1B SCAM IN LIVING COLOR, ALTHOUGH WE KNOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL ALWAYS IGNORE THE TRUE FACTS, UNLESS THEY BENEFIT YOU...
Posted by: American Me on March 26, 2008 09:15 PM Hey Boreal, for me the fight is as much about shutting down the employment green card program as it is about shutting down H1B. I have seen sickening levels of workplace discrimination against American professionals brought about by former H1B people who received their green cards for legal permanent resident status and then moved into management. Yes, I do call/fax/email my so-called elected representatives regularly about these topics. But they do not listen to me, they only listen to the corporate elites like Bill Gates who want to want to get even richer by flooding this country with low wage third world labor. Boreal, if you have not gotten your green card yet, then I hope you never do. We have enough obnoxious foreigners as permanent residents in this country. We don’t need any more. Posted by: Karl on March 27, 2008 07:58 AM ...and Raj still can't conjure up an original thought. Posted by: melena29 on March 27, 2008 08:18 AM COMMENT: ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS, WHAT THE HELL DID MEXICO'S PRESIDENT GIVE THE PRESIDENT & CONGRESS & SENATE FOR TURNING OUR NATION SUSAN Posted by: SUSAN MARIANO on March 27, 2008 08:43 PM I think the comments regarding the problems caused by the employment based green card program (fraudulent recruiting practices, etc) are well taken and should be explored in more depth by patriotic immigration reform organizations. On a personal note, I have suffered personally and professionally from H-1B program as well as from the onslaught of illegal aliens. I have had my identity stolen (twice) by illegal aliens. I also suffered job loss and wage suppression due to the three year expansion of the H-1B program in the early part of this decade. As bad as the identity thefts were, the job losses and wage suppression (related to H-1B) were even more difficult for me to overcome. I eventually had to retrain myself (at great expense) and change professions. This involved taking a big pay cut from my previous income level. The problems that the H-1B and L-1 visa programs cause for American citizens are usually ignored by the corporate media companies, who are all too quick to circulate phony stories about shortages of skilled American workers. Thank you, Dan Stein, for (once again) standing up for the American worker on this issue. Because of your involvement in this vital issue, I will continue to support FAIR with my financial contributions, and I will encourage others to do the same. Posted by: Steph on March 28, 2008 08:47 AM FEEDING CORPORATE FRENZY....That is what your call sensationalism..... Only 65000 H1B visas are issued every year and needless to say that is like a mere drop in the ocean in the American labor market..... Doesn't the author of the article realizes that data entry, software programming jobs have already left for overseas..... It would help if you ignorant fools stop thinking that a high school graduate with HTML and JAVA getting paid $200,000 p.a. for writing 4 lines of code in day. Y2K is over, programming languages are getting smarter and just to let you ignorant morons know that engineering jobs are still here, will continue to be here. Anybody who has an engineering degree from a reputed American university cannot be unemployed in the engineering sector unless that individual voluntarily does so. Chinese and Indians work hard and are the next set of immigrants which are going to take America in the next century. So just suck it up and accept the fact that you have taken life for granted and just did not work hard enough. Posted by: legalimmigrant on March 28, 2008 11:08 AM I warned folks in Arizona about Giffords. Now don't be so stupid as to think that just because you don't work in the high- tech field it won't affect you. How about your soon to be college aged kid, or nephew who loves science, tech? Can you not see that politicians like Giffords are taking away their dreams? Shouldn't you have priority as a long time taxpaying American citizen, who might even have a lengthy history here? Lord, I wish Americans would wake up to these flakes, who always put them last and even take gross advantage of us. Posted by: Bobby on March 28, 2008 03:55 PM COMMENT: LET THE 2 PRESIDENTS THATS BUSH,AND CALDERON, CONGRESS & SENATE CESSPOOL---FILTHY, EVIL, CORRUPT PLACE OF STATE. Posted by: SUSAN MARIANO on March 29, 2008 12:16 AM All Congress needs to do is require businesses to pay a $500/hour minimum wage to non-citizens (refugees exempted); and require businesses to account for off-shore work at a $1-trilion income per project rate (meaning their income for federal income tax purposes will exceed $1-trillion). In my mind, that is fair & reasonable. I used high numbers - but my point is Congress can stop this madness very simply - but until they act, it will be business-as-usual for US workers (which means millions upon millions of US workers will be screwed every day by big-business). Posted by: DolphinOne on March 29, 2008 12:55 PM Great Idea! Future Day Laborer, lets make up that Most Wanted List. Maybe Lou Dobbs would post one on the his show every day. Lets bring these anti-middle class big shots out of the shadows. Posted by: marg on March 29, 2008 05:02 PM JUAN "MORE H-1B VISAS" McAMNESTY!
Posted by: American Me on March 31, 2008 01:46 PM I just want to know where our governing people have left their "common sense"? We the people really need to clear out the bad apples (by the bushel full) from Washington and from our State Governments. It is time to unite and take back OUR country. Who can and will lead us? It will not be any of the three candidates running for Pres. They are all for bringing more immigrents, legal and illegal into the country. WAKE UP AMERICA Posted by: Charlie60 on March 31, 2008 02:16 PM Howdy, I have read these comments... and believe me, I feel the pain. Where I work, I am in the minority. 85%+ of the people that I see are NOT from the US! My spell checker goes off CONSTANTLY... and it's not because I don't know how to spell... :-) I worked at Seagate up til 2002 when I was layed off. Seagate KEPT IT'S H1B people though. I have been to "token" interviews too! I have over 40 years of Computing experience on a wide number of platforms and Operating systems... and am quite good at what I do... and still have a hard time finding work. To me this Seagate incident shows what big business is all about. $$$! I saw a program on the sundance channel about Corporations. They had an FBI profiler there who profiled a "typical" Corporation. The end result was labeled a sociopath. This is who is running our country... They sit back and pull the strings and our "elected" representatives move. I belong to other "organizations" for various things and have started adding this to my emails: "Remember this well! If you don't take care of your constituents, WE WILL TAKE care of you at the polls!" Is it doing any good? Who knows. We have to try though, don't we? Let's start a campaign with this as a slogan? I was called the other day by a campaign worker soliciting a donation to a particular politician. I told her that I COMPLETELY disagreed with what her representative was doing in Washington and that I would vote Republican before I voted for her representative again. This happened several months ago and I have recieved NO further solicitations. Interesting? Regards, George... Posted by: George on March 31, 2008 03:46 PM I'll bet boreal is some East Coast liberal buffoon. Posted by: Bobby on March 31, 2008 04:16 PM Hey folks, businessweek magazine is running a front page story entitled "Another Wave of H-1Bs on the Way". The H1-B Indian lobby is out in force posting RACIST comments! Come on over and out! Posted by: John on March 31, 2008 04:54 PM Why do we need funds to educate our congressmen? Don't you think they know exactly what they're doing? Posted by: STEVE on March 31, 2008 07:15 PM What I find troubling about the previous conversation is that no one is taking our businesses (e.g. Microsoft, Oracle, etc) or politicians to task on this issue. H1B Visas should not be issued for the bulk of people using them. Many that I have worked with have no better education than their American counterparts. If Americans don't have the education, then the businesses should export the work, not import the workers, exacerbating our overpopulation problems. What solutions are our politicians putting forth on behalf of their constituents to remedy this? Are American students who study Engineering, Technology or Programming getting their education subsidized? This should be the case. H1Bs should be for 2 years, then go home because we have grown our own talent. It's not fair that American students cannot afford tuition, yet a lot of foreign students here are subsidized. What people need to do is look at the long-range issues. In particular, chain migration allows immigrants in this country to bring in their entire family without consideration to what they contribute. If we didn't allow chain immigration we wouldn't get a lot of elderly family members coming in as well. America should adopt a policy that looks at immigrants below a certain age, only if they can contribute to this country. Elderly parents can be supported in their home country without overburdening our current inept infrastructure. Arranged marriages among Indians are also a pet peeve of mine. If you come to this country, BE AMERICAN. We should not allow this backward custom to come here because it makes us (US) go backwards as well. Posted by: Deb_techWorker on March 31, 2008 07:15 PM NO H1B, shame on you Bill Gates, you are as ANTI-AMERICAN as Obama. Posted by: sharon on April 1, 2008 04:53 PM Post a comment Comments are held for approval before being posted. If you don't see your comment immediately, you don't need to repost it. It will appear on the site once we've had a chance to review it. Entries older than 7 days will be closed for comments. |
allegedly labor-friendly Democrats -- are pushing to increase the importation of foreign labor just as the USA slips into what may be its worst recession in decades. Why? Because the greed of a handful of multinationals is demanding more and more access to 'skilled' foreign labor," says FAIR president Dan Stein in a USA Today op-ed. "Sure, we hear bogus 'studies' that claim garden-variety foreign programmers will save the U.S. economy. But former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan recently admitted the real agenda: 'Significantly opening up immigration to skilled workers … would compete with high-income people, driving more income equality.' In 2007, he further opined that, 'Our skilled wages are higher than anywhere in the world. If we open up a significant window for skilled (foreign) workers, that would suppress the skilled-wage level and end the concentration of income.' Thanks, Alan! Having shipped so many good jobs overseas, we now find that U.S. workers who acquire job skills are overpaid!"