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November 29, 2005
Bush Uses Border Visit to Promote Guestworker Amnesty Plan "President Bush yesterday tried to shift the focus of immigration reform away More coverage: Washington Post, New York Times, Michelle Malkin, A Certain Slant of Light, Rich Lowry, Lonewacko Full text of Bush speech, FAIR press release Comments
To take a bit of phrasing from a TV commercial with David Spade . . . "NO!" "Absolutely NO!" No amnesty. No amnesty!!!!!! Close the border. Send them back!!!!! No benefits. No education. No welfare!!!! NO! No! No! No! Posted by: Sick n' Tired on November 29, 2005 10:55 AM This is a relentless assault on the American middle class, yet the President keeps coming and coming. So, America needs to push back even harder and throw anyone out of office who supports this dismal plan. Meanwhile, the obtuse powers behind this scheme are destoying their customers' wealth and rewarding bad policies in the third world, e.g., overpopulation and corruption. Business is supposed to be more sophisticated than mere bean counting and cost reduction, yet even in a high-tech world, apparently the ancient commodity merchants and slave traders are alive and well. Posted by: FCannon on November 29, 2005 11:43 AM Well, well. Bush not only seems to be spending his own political capital on this vision of a sweatshop nation, but he seems to have foreign political capital as well. Let's see how much money gets spent on PR. I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a backroom agreement with Fox to get a six month crackdown on traffic on the Mexican side of the fence just to help get the shamnesty passed. Tom Tancredo, we need you!! Posted by: Bill Dexter on November 29, 2005 11:55 AM Why doesn't somebody ask some simple questions that will draw out Bush's real agenda: In 3-6 years when the workers are supposed to leave, what makes you think they will leave? The gov't is unable to manage the massive influx of illegals and immigrants now, so what will be different under your "amnesty" plan (er, I mean guest worker plan)? And if they don't leave what will you do to ensure they are removed? You will be out of office. Your gov't has been medicore at best in doing background checks for nominees to high level gov't positions, so how do you propose to check the backgrounds of 11-20M illegals currently here plus the hundreds of thousands of new guest workers each year to ensure they are only here to work (all from foreign countries that may not have decent intelligence on their citizens)? If these guest workers have children here, under current interpretations they are citizens by birthright, will you still insist they leave at the end of their work visa even though they have children that are US citizens? Will you change that interpretation to stop birthright citizenship as part of your plan? If no, do you not think this is a huge loophole that will be exploited to gain citizenship? Have you estimated the number of annual "anchor babies" as a result of your plan? What is your estimate of the number of new citizenships granted to foreign workers here on your guest worker plan? What is your estimate of population growth due to guest workers? How will you manage this growth to be consistent with our already way too high immigration rates of 1M per year? What is your plan to ensure that your guest worker plan is not used by business to drive down wages so low that lower and middle class citizens are not driven out of the job market or unable to make a simple living for their families? How will you ensure businesses make a good faith effort to find American workers first at a decent and prevailing wage? One high enough to attract more American workers into the field before turning to cheaper foreign labor. What is the proposed process to ensure guest workers do not have access to taxpayer subsidized heathcare or social benefits? Businesses should be responsible for any and all needs of the workers, not taxpayers. These are just a few questions. I am concerned about this proposal as the talking heads on the radio are now saying Bush is doing the right thing with this proposal (with the exception of Michael Savage, who I agree with 90% of the time). It is not the right thing in my book. It is simply a way to increase legal immigration to even higher levels with no real plan to manage the population growth or imapcts to our society. As Dan Stein states, this is a "death knell" to lower and middle class Americans. Posted by: Weary Citizen on November 29, 2005 12:14 PM There is more wisdom in the commentary of this website than anyone in the Bush administration or Congress (except Tancredo, King, Sensenbrenner, Hunter & Goode). Thanks FAIR for giving them a voice and "limited" exposure to rationality. Posted by: glr on November 29, 2005 01:10 PM You write with thunder Weary Citizen! Posted by: Gail Roma on November 29, 2005 01:19 PM I keep asking the same question and not one person in Congress or the media has asked it... The children of all illegals born on American soil are now citizens and when the 3 or 6 year tenure of their "guestworker" parents is up, how will the government force these citizens out of the country and how will the government force the parents of young citizens out of the country...? We know an amnesty is coming, as Dianne Feinstein wants us to call it, an "earned transition"... He is not fooling us, but I am sorely disappointed that so few true conservatives spoke out after the speech. Posted by: takn on November 29, 2005 01:23 PM Unbelievable! -NO!! BELIEVABLE!!!- Firstly, notice how el jefe boosh refers to THE homeland, not OUR homeland. I dont know, theres too much to comment on. You want a laugh though, go to RNC.com and look at the photo gallery. All photos except one are explicitly ...er...hispanophilic. I love the one of his celebration of cinco di mayo at the whitehouse(!!!!) (Does fox celbrate 4th of July in messico. He has a website now that I think about it. why not send presidente fox an email wishing him the glowing BEST of the season? Posted by: FornaxUltor on November 29, 2005 02:09 PM I did not hear anything on Bush's speech that will solve America's ongoing invasion. What I did hear was amnesty and more immigration and continued flooding of America with cheap labor cost to benefit employers and continuation of the destruction of the middle class and low skill and unskilled American labor. "El presidente", left out the issue of "anchor babies" key to a true guest worker program. I am sorry to say that this "Presidente" is not with us America, he is for selling out our Country, destroy our middle class, our standard of living and everything else that is in the way of Corporative interests pursue of increasing the bottom line. The "presidente", has effectively launched a national "debate" on immigration to keep America occupied and deeply polarized among ethnic and political factions. We are going to hear the usual rhetoric and slogans from every faction and I suspect at the end, we will end up with a weak and in effective Bill adopted by Congress in the middle of the night, while America sleeps. Posted by: Hispanicborn on November 29, 2005 03:04 PM Earned Transition my ASS! Diane - pull your head out and face reality! These people did not and have not (for the most part) transitioned. They broke OUR law coming into this country illegally. They break OUR law by staying here and they break OUR law by working and not paying taxes. These people are trying to make OUR country their third-world country. We do not wish to bring down our country. We want to bring it up and get them out and back to their own country. Posted by: Sick n' Tired on November 29, 2005 03:09 PM No wonder Bush and Clinton get along so well, they both want to sell us out to Mexico and China. What kind of a country/future are these morons creating for us, against our will? Why don't the blindfolded masses see any of this? We can't let these turkeys get away with this! Posted by: cicerores on November 29, 2005 03:22 PM It certainly is nauseating to hear our quisling Senators and POTUS shamelessly promoting their amnesty. They have sold us down the road either for cheap labor for their corporate backers or for some quixotic vision of global free market utopia. Pick your poison. We still have a chance to ignite the House of Rep. into a conflagaration of defiance. We cannot let up on these reps to demand support for the principles of TRUE enforcement. We also seem to have the timing of Mother Nature and the confluence of some potential crises on our side. First, Katrina put America's poverty on full display for all to see. Also, as we approach peak oil and energy prices increase we will begin to see the further erosion of the housing market and inflation take off. (The latter is already affecting Walmart since their working class customers have less discretionary spending after paying for higher energy costs. Consequently, Walmart asked congress to increase the minimum wage.) The federal deficit is 8,100,000,000,000 and climbing quickly. The federal reserve announced this month that it will no longer share M3 data - that makes it harder for us to figure out just how fast true inflation is growing as the fed continues to increase the rate at which it prints dollars (until they are worth about as much as monopoly $). In commenting about our national debt, a Hong Kong trader recently remarked that in the eyes of many international business leaders American has careened so far down into the abyss of foreign debt that we are basically "Argentina with nukes". In regards to peak oil, there are clear signs that the-powers-that-be already understand the dilemma we are facing but don't want to alarm the public quite yet. The month it was reported that new licenses to build nuclear reactors have been applied for - not since 1978 has that happened. Also, this month a new congressional committee on peak oil formed - however, they may be late to the cocktail party because this has problem has been known at high govt levels for several years. The list goes on, but you get the general picture. Our reigning oligarchy/plutocracy will do all they can to keep our house of economic cards artificially propped up. However, someday there will be a reckoning and we will need every available job for Americans.
Posted by: Cynthia on November 29, 2005 03:51 PM Sorry, I meant SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER.... guess I was typing with just my brain stem on. Posted by: Cynthia on November 29, 2005 03:55 PM I realized something this weekend when the national news reported on, what they said was, the busiest travel day of the year in the U.S. (31) million people on the roads, all going home at the same time. Ahem, do the math. 11 million illegals. Not really a big deal, folks...... Posted by: cicerores on November 29, 2005 04:28 PM Doing jobs Americans wont do????? Like enforce immigration law senor boosh? Problem is, anyone who is actually American will GLADLY enforce border security...even privately if you know what I mean...and that is the way it has ALWAYS been. No bouquets of perfumed words can cover the stench of the hell that open-borders zealots have brought to our house. This speech stands only as a minor monument to platitude and non-meaning. Write your congressman. Tonight. Posted by: FornaxUltor on November 29, 2005 04:35 PM The unpleasant truth we all face is that once we "control our border" and rescind anchor baby provisions, then we will have to move on to removing anchor babies. That is only Phase I Phase II has to do with de-legitimizing those who have taken advantage of the 14th ammnt. That will be a long and thorny battle that we ought to brace ourselves for. ..."taken advantage of" the legal usage for that term is usufruct. It is a very telling artifact attested by linguistics that the Latin word usufruct in all languages EXCEPT Spanish has come to mean something shameful and felonious. One takes advantage of a drunken coed for example. In Spanish, the same word, more specifically its ontological identity, was understood and used by Spanish speakers to denote "enjoy" as in "have some" as in "DISFRUIRE COCA-COLA". Posted by: FornaxUltor on November 29, 2005 05:27 PM Anything short of returning illegal aliens to their home country makes a mockery of those of us who have worked for and paid for legal entry. To obtain a green card - alot of expense is involved, not to mention the HEALTH REQUIREMENTS! Why? Why do I have to have an HIV test, and produce evidence of my childhood vaccinations (I'm 50 years old!), and come from a country with a great health service, and anyone with the balls to jump over the fence can come in with whatever third-world diseases they may have, or lack of vaccination, and no need to produce three generations of family, just simply are allowed to stay? To anyone who wants to enter legally - I say, just go down to Mexico and pay to jump over the wall (still cheaper than legally applying), and you'll have your residence in 24 hrs! Posted by: Annette Olsen on November 29, 2005 08:08 PM Citizen takes place at the legal age of 18. Before that, a child is under the legal guardianship of his parents, and must accompany his parents if and whenever they move. Posted by: tenacious on November 29, 2005 08:24 PM Let's get this straight - all of the employers now currently enjoying the "benefits" of cheap illegal labor, without fear of consequence, including not having to pay taxes, deductions, or unemployment insurance, or a liveable wage, will happily dump them and start hiring guest workers waving their newly minted work visas? Guest workers who will suddenly have the same rights as any other worker, who will demand the workplace rights to which they are entitled, without fear or threat of deportation? And when the "guest workers" realize that with legal status, with new rights, they can actualy begin to move up the ladder, to better and higher paying jobs, jobs that Americans "do want?" What about the day laborers, who do not want to pay taxes, and their employers who like to hire them day by day, without the hassle of paperwork of verifying documents? Will day laboers who do not have steady jobs qualify and be able to prove that there is a "willing employer for a willing worker" in order to qualify for a visa? And what about those "willing workers" who want to work, but are for whatever reason ineligible for a guest worker visa due to criminal history, prior immigration violations, and so on? What happens to them? And just who is eligible for a guest worker visa? A tamale vendor? Home day care worker? Trinket seller? Pushcart peddler? Windshield wiper at an intersection? How many of these do we "need?" What about the millions of stay at home moms, teens, orphans, widows, disabled or elderly who want to come, but don't or can't work, and won't qualify for a work visa? Will brokers pop up, who create "jobs" so that unqualified persons can get a work visa for a fee, just to get in and get their foot in the door? Won't this also spawn a few class action lawsuits, maybe by Peter Schey, to sue for work visas - for those who don't work, because the program "violates equal protection" or some legal claptrap invented to force the government 15 years later to change the rules and make exceptions for everybody? Where does the line get drawn before we have half the country of Mexico here claiming to be filling the "jobs Americans won't do" when instead they are adding unecessary and uneeded jobs,and just adding to the population and overburdened social services. When a guest worker demands the prevailing wage, and an illegal or a laborer who was rejected for a visa is willing to do the job for less, who will the employer realisticcally hire if the employer knows nothing will happen to them, or that they can simply plead ignorance (like employers now do?) I would imagine that the guest worker plan would not make a dent in employers using illegal labor, especially when the threat of being raided or fined by immigration is nonexistent and a joke. In fact, when faced with having to suddenly be expected to "play by the rules" in employing legal workers with work visas, and to abide by the rules that go along with hiring legal workers, the demand for illegal laborers may even increase. Can't be sure about that; and I am sure that there are many employers who are willing to hire laboers without the current red tape involved in hiring legal workers (like using the H1A visa, and filing laboer certs) but without serious enforcmeent backed by stiff penalities, and without a mandatory employer verification system in place to seriously verify documents and identities, hey, it could happen. Posted by: icechick on November 30, 2005 12:37 AM Many questions have been asked and many are still being pieced together. Never has one person every raised so many questions about several issues which he has absolutely no plans on fixing. The President is selling Americans the proverbial piece of trick or treat candy, which in the end will please absolutely no one. It's a sugar coated "turd" which, after the sugar is gone will not be the chocolate it was advertised to be. Frankly, I am a bit weary as to why it is taking this Congress and the American People so long to figure out this transparent President on these issues. He has never spoken at length, but to hear him speak in Tucson - one would have thought that he spends all his waking hours studying these topics. The facts of the matter are - he doesn't know as much about Illegal Immigration, Open Borders and the hazards of Illegal Aliens - as most Americans. The Polls over the past several years prove me right!! Over 85% of the American Public do not agree with the Bush/McCain/Kennedy/Craig/Specter/Kolbe/Flake/Gutierrez, et al approach. AMNESTY IS AMNESTY AND ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL!! Oh! I get it! It's the forgive and forget or the catch and release Plan. Well, for me. It's still sugar coated and it isn't chocolate in the middle. BUSH IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THESE ISSUES AND HIS BUDDIES IN THIS CONGRESS MAY JUST JUMP OFF THE BUS AS THE 2006 ELECTIONS DRAW NIGH!! Posted by: Michael J. Bruning on November 30, 2005 12:51 AM Dan Stein, please keep up the great work! For those who want to read more about immigration reform, please visit my blog: http://stoptheinvasion.blogspot.com/ Posted by: Virginia Patriot on November 30, 2005 07:09 AM There are approximately 30 thousand 12 to 18 year old Hispanic children in the Phoenix area that are not attending school. They are displaced because of their fathers and mothers working here, and they refuse to attend English speaking schools where they will be embarrassed. Now, I don't think that anyone has covered this aspect. The number may be higher, The Hispanics are hiding this pretty closely, the kids are not allowed outside during the day. Of course, this is a part of Bush's and McCains plan that is just wrong. We can get some moral values in America. Immigration officials need to make these parents go back to Mexico before these teenage girls start having babies and become lifetime recipients of government benefits, food stamps, medical, dental, which is what their parents are HOPING will happen. The American people cannot afford this to keep going on and on to get a damn house painter and waitress from Mexico We as Americans have to stop this rude insult to our foundation of beliefs, before, we look just like Mexico, and the tax payers are broke. Why am I paying over $600.00 per year so Wendy's can hire a waitress? I don't own a business. I don't care if they all go broke, I don't want to pay for their labor. I don't want to build schools for their kids, I don't want to pay for their babies. I don't like being made to do it. Posted by: Patriot -L on November 30, 2005 10:13 AM From Plantation USA. Icechick Good analysis. Posted by: Some Mexican on November 30, 2005 10:38 AM |
from his unpopular plan for a guest-worker program and toward a crackdown on illegal border crossers. 'We're going to secure the border by catching those who enter illegally and hardening the border to prevent illegal crossings,' Mr. Bush said after meeting with border and customs agents in Tucson, Ariz.," the Washington Times writes. "The president's plan is nothing more than a massive illegal alien amnesty on a six-year time delay," said FAIR President Dan Stein. "His temporary-worker program, which will be anything but temporary, is the death knell for America's middle class."