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November 14, 2005
France's Cultural Problems, and Ours "The French are reaping their grim reward for welcoming into their communities millions of people from what has historically been an enemy Comments
Well said, Brenda Walker! Posted by: Born American on November 14, 2005 12:24 PM We have the right to defend ourselves in this country. I guess they do things different in France? If it happens here, I would imagine if it came down to it, all hell would break loose on the trouble makers. These people destroy their own parts of town. Thats how stupid they are. If it spread to my town, every red neck [pretty much everybody here] would enforce the law in a extreme fashion! Let them illegal bastards get stupid. We the people can put a stop to this sh** and the government knows it. Other than illegals burning up their own stuff, I dont believe handling the criminals that want to riot being much of a problem. Posted by: Shane on November 14, 2005 01:45 PM At least there is a silver lining here. As we watch what is happening to France maybe it will wake up some people in Washington that we need to shut down our borders and take a harder stance on ILLEGAL ALIENS and immigration. Posted by: Brian on November 14, 2005 02:11 PM A question I sometimes ask people when talking about immigration is: what DO you point to as the example of what we are trying to achieve with "multiculturalism"? Aside from calling people "racist" for asking the question, what IS a multicultural society SUPPOSED to be like? Posted by: Bill Dexter on November 14, 2005 04:20 PM I have shown mathematically, using simple arithematic and US govt data, how our future will be similar (and worse) than what is happening to France. I challenged Ralph to debate on this math, and it exposed how weak his pro-immigration position is. Here are the posts of the math and debate: http://ralphanswers.blogspot.com/2005/11/psycho-ii.html http://ralphanswers.blogspot.com/2005/11/psycho.html
As takn said many times, those who are pro-illegal immigration, are benefitting from it. But I don't know if takn realized that some people benefit in "social" ways. Very interesting. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 14, 2005 05:53 PM Unfortunately, Brian, our leaders will look at France and simply decry their socialist failings...they refuse to lift their blinders and see what is happening to this country because they would have to admit they are more concerned with their cronies in the business industry and foreign interests than what is best for the citizens. Meanwhile, we are slogging our own economy into a social welfare dependent quagmire. Posted by: takncarabizniz on November 15, 2005 01:19 AM As I feared, the French gov't will blame the riots on racism and lack of opportunity, rather than facing the fact that mass immigration from different cultures (and even enemy cultures like muslims at that) combined with a failing economy are a volatile mix. Chirac is already promising $M to look at social programs. Ultimately it will end in affirmative action programs that will only serve to put "true" french people out of jobs (given the lack of job creation, it is a zero sum game). Which will breed resentment from the french citizens and starting a whole new cycle of unrest. The real problem is allowing mass immigration of people from a completley different cultures. Clashes are inevitable when the economy is not very strong. The french people are not immigrants and should not have to change thousands of years of culture to accomodate immigrants. If the immigrants don't like it, go home or don't come in the first place. If I was forced to leave my home and someone offered to allow my family to live with them, I would not demand the family that opened their doors out the kindness of their hearts, change how they run their household to fit my needs. I would conform or leave. I wish the french gov't would wise up and deport the majority of these muslim immigrants and stop further immigration from 3rd world countries. Anything less is only delaying the inevitable battles to come. Posted by: Weary Citizen on November 15, 2005 11:29 AM It may make you feel good to blame the govt for your problems, but individual responsibility starts with individual decisions and actions. Govts are just a reflection of (mirror of) what people do and want to do. The overshoot of immigration is being sucked in because we Americans are spending way more than we earn. This is causing booms (e.g. construction) which is sucking in 3 million illegals this year. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 15, 2005 02:02 PM Since when did Americans whine and blame their govt for their problems. That is totally un-american. Americans became great, because we faced challenges individually by working hard, saving and investing, and not whining rhetoric. If 50% of us were saving 10% of our income, then these speculation booms we have seen since 1990, would implode, and our country would get back to sanity mode. But "noooo", we wouldn't be satisfied with hard work, savings, and a fair return. Noooo, we all want to be "rich", even spending like we are "rich" just because we can refinance our home. And as a result, we are all going down the toilet and going to end up very poor country. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 15, 2005 02:07 PM The following article on effects of Globalization and Dollar, explains very well the connection between massive cheap labor and our NEGATIVE savings rate (and how this is all caused by monetary inflation): http://www.kitcocasey.com/displayArticle.php?id=374 And the following article shows the true inflation (PPI) and how gold tracks it perfectly: http://www.kitcocasey.com/displayArticle.php?id=373 And notice in chart on above page, how from 1999 to present (2006), that PPI has moved up much faster than gold. This is telling you what is going to happen. Ignore it at your own peril. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 15, 2005 03:02 PM So, has Ralph decided he no longer wants to come here and support HIS cause??? I wish I had read his comment about liking young immigrant girls...sounds like someone the authorities would like to talk to. Posted by: takncarabizniz on November 15, 2005 09:37 PM Well, we see latino youth rioting someday in Santa Ana Ca, I don't know but the gap between them and non-latinos will widen in the present system. Another suburb out of La that might have that potential. Posted by: Cynthia Curran on November 15, 2005 11:04 PM I find fault with the following statement from the article: "The Hispanic gang members of MS-13 are no less disaffected than their French counterparts and are at least as dangerous." These vile criminals in the MS-13 gangs are not "disaffected"--they are diseased mentally and spiritually with hatred and a desire to do harm to others in order to enjoy expressing and reveling in their own lusts--whatever they may be. They are not causing trouble in this country because this country has failed THEM--they are causing trouble in this country because our country has failed US by not preventing their entry and their growth. It is their country of origin that deserves their activities proceeding forth from "disaffection" (although I continue to dispute that it is, indeed "disaffection") --not this one. Posted by: J on November 16, 2005 07:56 AM Credit, Inflation Have Become Self-Feeding For decades, CA lead the country in new trends. We now see CA crumbling into a land of a few very rich in enclaves, and a massive underclass. When the massive credit boom inflation period we are in now implodes into a massive deflation period (sometime between 2010 and 2014), then CA is going to show the USA a future of abject poverty class and a rich class. This is a future where infrastructure (roads, sewers, drinking water, etc) can't not be maintained. There will be a massive runup in credit and inflation before it pops. Expect oil and gold to skyrocket just as they did in late 70s early 80s. Then it will implode and take the world into the next great depression. This will spawn a world war, just as it did after 30s great depression. Don't be surprised to see some form of fascism, or even reverse discrimination, appear within the USA. My advice to every white american is start to think about where your place of refuge will be to live through this dark ages that will be coming upon us. Look for sparsely populated retirement areas, which are not on a high growth mode that will suck in underclass for services. And look to transistion your wealth into untraced assets, such as gold. Over the short-term (to 2010), hi-tech stocks will still be booming. Time your exodus. We can't stop this freight train. It is nature's boom/bust cycle. All we can do is plan well individually. I am way ahead of most of you. Good luck to all of you. Hope to see all of you making it successfully through this dark period coming, so that we can rise from the ashes and rebuild a better constitution, from all that we learned. We will never be able to counteract nature's boom/bust cycle, but we can hopefully find better ways to organize a society around it. But undoing this current global credit/inflation boom is impossible. TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE REASON: The reason is because the interest payments have become self-feeding into money supply: http://www.kitco.com/ind/saville/nov152005.html I know it is hard to wrap your mind around that. I did. I know. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 16, 2005 05:12 PM this is a quote from an article posted at Stein about Denmark and Mulim immigrants. "This is the Europe of the Middle Ages," said Abdul Latif, a Palestinian born in a Lebanese refugee camp who moved here years ago. "When others want to force their values on Muslims, we must reject this. We neither want to assimilate nor isolate. We want to keep our identity and carry our message of Islam to others. But Europe is using the climate of war and terrorism to force assimilation." So how does this sound to everyone? They don't want to accept western values, they want to keep their own values and spread it in countries that are predominantly christian. The mulims chose to come to Europe, but don't want to accept it as is. It must change to fit muslim needs and desires. Ingrates!!!! But by god, let's see a christian go to a muslim country and try to keep their values. At best they would be ostracized, most likely killed. This same guy would never tolerate a non muslim in a muslim country. They want their cake and eat it too. And the sad part, like a bunch of idiots, we are letting them get away with it. This scourge will grow and get much worse. Tolerance by europeans and americans without reciprocation from muslims is a dangeraous and ridiculous path to follow. We must stop the BS PC now before we find ourselves praying 5 times a day lest we watch our families be beheaded publicly. Don't think this is outside the realm of reality. Posted by: Weary Citizen on November 16, 2005 05:39 PM Weary, I don't dismiss the well founded concept that muslims and christians have a fundamentally dificult, if not impossible, ability to prosper in the same society. I have 3 overriding points: 1) We can't stop it. Politically our country long-ago committed irreversible suicide against homogenity. You are preaching the the long since converted society. Too late. 2) Homogeneous societies are not sustaineable either, are an unnatural state of nature (very, very low and unstable entropy), and they are associated with very uncompetitive cultures, e.g. most poor muslim countries are culturally homogeneous, ditto 3rd world countries, whereas western countries are more successful precisely because they opened themselves to more trade. We overcame England's empire because we were more adept at trading and manufacturing cheaply. This force of economics (nature) is unstoppable (in many past examples) throughout time (history). 3) As a christian, I am fundamentally against discrimination or persecution of others just because of their religion. It seems such a stance is the beginning our descent into an abyss of imperialism and hell.
Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 17, 2005 06:52 PM takncarabizniz wrote: You can read it on following page: http://ralphanswers.blogspot.com/2005/11/psycho-ii.html Also note that I just added a comment to end of the above page, which refutes Ralph's latest BS, and shows that prominent economics share in my calculation we've had NEGATIVE real GDP growth (our economy going backwards) and that govt has been lying to us about economic growth. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 17, 2005 07:12 PM |
culture because of a belief in leftist, multicultural dogma and postmodern pacifism," says Brenda Walker of Limits to Growth. "Here at home, France's meltdown should make Washington get serious about closing the borders and reducing immigration generally so that assimilation can begin to work again. The Hispanic gang members of MS-13 are no less disaffected than their French counterparts and are at least as dangerous. It remains to be seen whether Washington can face that much reality and develop the political will to match."