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November 03, 2005
Hunter, Goode Introducing Landmark TRUE Enforcement Act Today Reps. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) and Virgil Goode (R-VA) today will hold a Capitol Hill press conference to announce new legislation - the TRUE Comments
I already signed! I posted it on my discussion board and am sending it to many of my friends and family! Posted by: takn on November 3, 2005 11:42 AM You have to charge other countries for their illegal aliens instead of making war veterans pay for them. Charge Mexico $1,000 per month for each illegal they have in the U.S. Mexico has refused over and over to fight with the U.S. in WWI WWII Vietnam, Korea, The only war they ever fight is over U.S. soil. Their radios say daily that the southern states belong to them. They have earned O rights to anything and all illegal aliens are is a burden on tax payers. You have to work to train the U.S. poor though. You have to actually talk to them and encourage them and then they will work, the 37 million. we have here. Posted by: Patriot-L on November 3, 2005 01:35 PM As a dual citizen of Mexico and the U.S., I fully support the TRUE enforcement ACT of 2005. Mexican politicians must understand that they must tackle their nation’s problems head on and not export them to the United States. This bill will send a clear signal to Mexico's congress that the American people will not tolerate an abusive relationship and that they must stop playing partisan politics and get down to business. In order for Mexico to get wealthier so that all of us on this continent benefit, we must send a clear signal that the Mexican partisan politicians cannot take the easy way out and simply export the nations problems to the U.S. America can help Mexico a great deal by sending a clear message, "you must put you house in order and not undermine your neighbors sovereignty" Posted by: Peter Azcue Attolini on November 3, 2005 01:39 PM From what I've read so far, this is more or less the dream bill for us. I am glad FAIR organized this, because it will help illuminate the flaws in the other immigration bills. However, hell will freeze over before any president will sign this bill. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 3, 2005 01:45 PM I have signed the petition.Caution, at this time the system allowed only one signed petition per PC?. My wife's petition entered separately(two people two votes/petitions), was not allowed!Contacted FAIR about the problem. Posted by: Hispanicborn on November 3, 2005 02:05 PM Kudos to FAIR for pointing out how insane the Kennedy-McCain amnesty is. It adds 36 million new "legal" immigrants!! With anchor babies and chain migration, that 36 milllion becomes 100+ million. That single bill would turn USA into a foreign country within 8 years!!
Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 3, 2005 02:26 PM FINALLY......A BILL THAT ADDRESSES THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEM AT ITS CORE. Posted by: glr on November 3, 2005 02:39 PM This "True Enforcement and Border Security Act of 2005" should be introduced today, voted to be law today, and implement tommorrow. This is enough that Legislation, Congress, and the pathetic President Administration, continue to roll this on month after month. Let us all Americans REMIND these people that they are ELECTED, AND THEIR INCOME IS THAT OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. "ENOUGH" of the corruption that this Bush administration has demonstrated. He is leading this country as President Fox runs his country with lying, stealing and corruption. Well Americans are "FED UP", and to CHERTOFF - NO TEMPORARY GUESTWORKER, AND AMERICA WILL NOT ALLOW A 5 YEAR PERIOD TO GET RID OF THE LAW BREAKERS OR TO REWARD THEM, AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT INVASION. WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO NOTIFY THIS CORRUPTED ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK AT WHAT AMERICANS HAVE DONE WITH THE MINUTEMEN, AND NOW WITH A WEBSITE CALLED www.wehirealiens.com PASS THE "TRUE ENFORCEMENT AND BORDER SECURITY ACT OF 2005" TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks yvonne
Posted by: Yvonne on November 3, 2005 02:48 PM "From what I've read so far, this is more or less the dream bill for us." - Shel You got that right. Keep dreamin'. It will never even be considered much less passed. Of course I didn't expect anything practical to come from that organization. Posted by: Ralph on November 3, 2005 03:31 PM From Plantation USA. Nice, but no cigar. This is DOA. Profiteers have too much influence. The only-way is to vote a few of these idiots out of office, so that others start to squeal, then maybe some reform. Posted by: Some Mexican on November 3, 2005 06:32 PM Hispanic born... Ralph, Posted by: takn on November 3, 2005 08:47 PM The border fence will stop illegal immigration and once penalties are introduced to the employers, then the problem will disappear. There is a sense of urgency and frustration that I sense among friends and neighbors regarding illegal immigration. The polls show Bush's popularity at an all time low. They point to Iraq and the economy. What they don't mention is that a huge amount of people are pissed off about illegal immigration and they have reached the boiling point with senor Bush. This border fence proposal may actually pass as I think the President and the open borders advocates in congress realize a revolution may be at hand. I sense this quote to equate to many the view of Americans at this time: "Why stand we here idle? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry - Speech in Virginia Convention March 1775 I am proud to be a Minuteman and I am proud to be counted among the patriots on this site.
Posted by: Robert Rathgeber on November 3, 2005 10:00 PM To reset the petition page, you need to delete the cookie that the website places on your hard disk. Close all your browser windows, located the cookie folder, then delete all steinreport.com and fairus.org cookies: C:\WINDOWS\Cookies takn I think Some Mexican wants the bill to pass, but I share his unoptimistic view that it will ever become law. However, I do think it is very useful for us to spread info about this bill. Our fight is mostly an information campaign. If we can spread enough information, then we can cause an uprising. Even with an uprising, our govt may resist, but if we could get say 20% of the population extremely angry about this, then this would become a hotly debated national topic. Moreover, I do believe that if we got 20% of the populace to feel our anger and frustration, then we would see those people boycotting and otherwise going over the heads of the politicians in order to effect change. Americans may be gullable, but when we finally realize we must do something, we get the job done. Our problem right now, is that 99% of the populace is not really informed about how much a crook Bush is and to what degree he is lying and his amnesty plans will convert USA into a foreign country within a decade or less. Ralph, of course the bill will never pass, but the point is to spread information. It is a form of counter-propoganda to counter the spin of the administration. I think it could be very effective, if we all do our best to spread info about it. Realize we only have the ear of probably about 1% so far, so we can only go up in terms of awareness in the populace. Do not equate the 80% poll results with awareness. People can respond logically to an obvious question without having any reasonable knowledge about the true situation and not have any anger. Once people become aware, they become very angry. That anger is key to our fight. Again to read my reasoning succinctly, please load this in your browser: http://www.coolpage.com/Illegal%20Immigration.rtf Regards, Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 3, 2005 10:40 PM Yvonne, thank you! I have add http://WeHireAliens.com to the Solutions section of my succinct document on Illegal Immigration: http://www.coolpage.com/Illegal%20Immigration.rtf Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 3, 2005 10:56 PM The Bryd amendment failed by a vote of 14-85!! http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/H1B.html And I correct myself that it isn't passed by House yet, just the Judiciary commitee. Yet our political weight in only 16%. We have a LOOOONNNG way to go politically. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 3, 2005 11:17 PM IDEA: would it be effective to copy Cindy Sheenan, but on a much larger scale? We go to Bush's ranch with 1000 people and wait for him to go mountain biking and confront him on this issue in front of the media??? Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 3, 2005 11:22 PM Ralph:
Posted by: lance sjogren on November 4, 2005 01:02 AM I think if the fence goes up it looks good enough to empty our prisons of illegals except for the severe criminals, maybe that would pay for it. Send them back to Fox. Posted by: Johhny Bell on November 4, 2005 01:08 AM i have a friend who believes we (americans) have a moral obligation to accept and help all illegal aliens. if you've ever met someone like her you know how pointless it is to debate this issue with them. so, one day, rather than argue with her i decided to go along with her idea of allowing any and all of the worlds impoverished to freely enter our country. i said I would agree to such an arrangement provided she and her fellow “moral obligation” enthusiasts were willing to pick up the tab for education, healthcare, housing, crime, welfare, etc., etc., etc.. i politely suggested that since a majority of her fellow americans did not agree with her that the worlds poor should be allowed to take up residence here, they shouldn’t have to bear the financial burden. so I offered a simple means of determining who pays and who doesn’t. every year at tax time, those of us who agree that we have a moral obligation to accept and support illegal aliens check the “i am willing to foot the bill for illegal aliens” box on their tax forms. those opposed, merely ignore it. At this point she began to get my point and went into some long, drawn out explanation of why the cost of this “moral obligation” thing needed to be distributed evenly across all americans. she actually agreed that most would not, in all likelihood, check the “I am willing to foot the bill for illegal aliens” box on their irs forms. of course, in sticking with her ridiculous “moral obligation” argument, she pretended she would. look folks, shelby is right: no president will ever sign this thing into law. perhaps a different approach is needed. maybe, just maybe, we can get all those who argue in favor of illegal aliens (5%? 10%?) to accept financial responsibility for them. Posted by: ty on November 4, 2005 02:50 AM "you and Some Mexican could start your own mutual admiration society" What makes you think that we didn't already? Perhaps we've already spend our days patting ourselves on the back, ignoring dissenting opinions and whenever someone comes in who disagrees with our opinion we insult them ans suggest they leave. Or we could read a wide variety of opinions and enter discussions on them. Posted by: Ralph on November 4, 2005 08:16 AM Ralph, We are willing to hear dissenting opinions. But every time we debate you, you run away. We have defeated every point you made, and then you stop posting on the thread. Until you answer the following, then there is no point you can make which will win: Ralph, I am not willing to pay anything for illegals. Are you willing to write a check for my share? If not, then I say you have nothing else to say here of substance. The bottom line is that my family has been here for 30,000 years. I am a Cherokee descendant. And the other side of my family since before the civil war (Isaac Shelby was a General in civil war). And I don't want to pay for people coming into my country who do not have legal permission to be here. My grandfather worked for the Lousiana tax collection office for 40 years. He went to work 5 days a week religiously. He served in the Korean War. And he died in 1996 in the same small wooden home that he paid a few thousand dollars for back in the 40s. And that home survived Katrina without any flooding. He slaved his life away, so that his children and grandchildren could have a good life. And he was one of the most charitable men I have ever seen, even he was just lower middle class. He sent checks to charities all over the world, and they gave bags of groceries to the needy. But he didn't believe that you break the law. And he didn't do all that to have it stolen away from his descendants. I am sure he would want us to do all we can to help the rest of the world, and I think Americans should get out and help the world, by actually going to rest of world and doing things on individual basis. But I do not agree with stealing people's homes, their generations of assets, etc. If you want to pay for it, then go ahead. You can give everybody a job in Mexico if you want. Just don't ask me to pay for it. If need be, I will stop paying the govt. Now if illegals did not take govt jobs, they never used any govt services of infrastructure, then we could say I have no beef with them. But that can never be the case. Every person in this country shares the costs and benefits. That is why we have laws about citizenship, taxes, etc. Ralph, did you even study civics in high school??? What is your background Ralph??? Again, I am sure you will run away from this challenge, and these questions. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 4, 2005 02:02 PM Your question: “I am not willing to pay anything for illegals. Are you willing to write a check for my share?” “The bottom line is that my family has been here for 30,000 years. I am a Cherokee descendant.” “Just don't ask me to pay for it.” “Now if illegals did not take govt jobs, they never used any govt services of infrastructure, then we could say I have no beef with them. But that can never be the case. Every person in this country shares the costs and benefits. That is why we have laws about citizenship, taxes, etc.” “What is your background Ralph???” But I take seriously the statement, “everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.” I was a stranger and you did not invite me in And by the way, I don’t run away. There are several topics here on which I am the last to comment. Posted by: Ralph on November 4, 2005 03:27 PM be leery of anyone who practices deception (uses another man's image as if it were his own). and be doubly so of anyone who practices deception AND quotes the bible. Posted by: ty on November 4, 2005 05:13 PM Ralph, I am more than happy to debate you. So if you are fortunate, because you landed in a place that has assets, and a unified middle class that can demand high standard of living for ***ALL***, do you think that the holders of assets are going to tolerate them being taken away? People vote with their economic actions. You will find that if illegal immigration does not lead to better economic conditions, then people with assets, will take steps to make sure those assets do not get diluted. In fact, that is already happening... I guarantee you, that within 7 years or less, the USA will not be a prosperous place for those anchor babies to grow up. The govt services will implode, it will be a land of very wealthy retired baby boomers, and a huge underclass of servants. That is the future you are epousing. Are you happy with that future? Instead what we were trying to do, was to spread the USA middle class around the world. But instead you want to import the rich vs. poor system into USA. You just don't get it. You really think that people with money will do what govt tells them to do. The people with money are already moving away from poor communities. They are taking steps to make sure that when the govt fails, their assets will be safe. You are destroying what made this country special and what gave it a chance of helping the world. I don't disagree with your humanity. I too love the brown eyed babies. I want them to reach their potential. But you won't get there by trying to steal assets. Immigrants inherently steal because they come in at a late stage of life and/or generational inputs, thus they dilute the share of the long-term citizens. Thus immigration is not an efficient way to help humanity. We need to spread the former USA system to the world, not import the corrupt system into USA. But any way, you are correct. It is too late. I can not change the govt. It is too far corrupted. I must take my assets, my skills, and my life else where. And your fortune will suffer. I guarantee you. Your anchor babies will become maids and sex servants in the new USA. Enjoy! Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 5, 2005 04:59 AM The govt services will implode (see "$65 trillion" "off-budget debt" in following link), it will be a land of very wealthy retired baby boomers, and a huge underclass of servants. http://www.kitco.com/ind/Daughty/nov022005.html Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 5, 2005 05:05 AM Ralph, Learn about how violation of human rights, leads to slavery. I do have a right not to pay for illegal immigration, or to dilute my life's work, whether the govt recognizes that right or not. If I can not exercise my right, then society trends towards slavery. This is the new slavery that you are espousing for USA. The New Slavery: Nock on Spencer "For example, Statism postulates the doctrine that the citizen has no rights which the State is bound to respect; the only rights he has are those which the State grants him, and which the State may attenuate or revoke at its own pleasure. This doctrine is fundamental; without its support, all the various nominal modes or forms of Statism which we see at large in Europe and America — such as are called Socialism, Communism, Naziism, Fascism, etc. — would collapse at once." Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 5, 2005 05:32 AM “do you think that the holders of assets are going to tolerate them being taken away?” "I guarantee you, that within 7 years or less, the USA will not be a prosperous place for those anchor babies to grow up. The govt services will implode, it will be a land of very wealthy retired baby boomers, and a huge underclass of servants. That is the future you are epousing [sic].” “You are destroying what made this country special and what gave it a chance of helping the world.” “But any way, you are correct.” “And your fortune will suffer.” Immigrants have been coming to the US for centuries, and your doomsday predictions have been made over and over again. They never came true. And in seven years, the USA WILL still be a prosperous place. But at that time, despite your words, you will not have learned, and you will keep spewing the same outdated rhetoric as people like you have done for generations. Posted by: Ralph on November 7, 2005 10:44 AM From The Plantation: Dear Mrs./Mr. Takn and Ralph, Posted by: Some Mexican on November 7, 2005 11:42 AM Some Mexican, your point is taken about the profiteers. Many of us have advocated for workplace enforcement for a long time. Posted by: Bill Dexter on November 8, 2005 12:15 PM Ralph wrote:
It HAS happened many times.
Very few economists agree with you. But I guess you are smarter than most Americans and most economists. Most of the doomsday predictions happened since 1971, when the fiat inflation began. They didn't factor that the central bank and govt would collude to accelerate it to the point of where the crash would be delayed until the final bitter end, and thus the crash will be incredibly deep and catastrophic.
So you are one of those people who thinks that there is a new science of money and that it always goes up and never goes down. The Romans got cocky also. And yes the govt is taking my and your assets everytime they print more fiat and buy Treasuries. That is unless you have your assets in something uninflated like gold. Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 9, 2005 11:49 AM “Did you forget the Great Depression?” "’And in seven years, the USA WILL still be a prosperous place.’ Most economists and investors do agree with me. That is why they continue to invest in our economy.
“And yes the govt is taking my and your assets everytime they print more fiat and buy Treasuries.” Posted by: Ralph on November 9, 2005 03:10 PM "No, and it wasn’t caused by illegal immigration. Said Great Depression was worsened and the recovery delayed, many believe, because of protectionist policies instituted by governments." I never said the last Great Depression was caused by illegal immigration, and I never said the impending one is caused by it either. Illegal immigration is a symptom of the SPECULATION mantra that grips a society during massive monetary inflation. What I did say, is that the impending great depression will devastate the financial system we have now in USA. Just as did to financial systems in the last Great Depression. The breakdown in world trade is a natural reflex of the implosion of overextended world financial systems. And it will happen again and again and again and again, because lifeforms are inherently greedy. It is nature. Nature runs in intense competition booms and them shakeout busts, where the strongest survive. It is evolution. Always has been.
As I said, you forget the plurality of Great Depressioins in the history of the earth. And now above, you agree you forgot. You used the word "never". "never" is clearly incorrect. "Most economists and investors do agree with me. That is why they continue to invest in our economy." Do your research adequately before you make false claims. I have read most of the prominent economists, and although many do believe in the short-term boom in our economy, a vast majority a long-term for the West that is in decline. "The standards of living of Americans barely declined during the 70s, and the inflation had absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration. And the real per capita GDP of the nation has continued to grow steadily since the 70s, unemployment has dropped significantly, and standards of living have increased dramatically." Hahaha. Used to be that only the man needed to work for the family to have a nice life. Now both parents must work. Standard of living has been cut by 50% at least. Of course we have more gadgets now, and we have more zeros (0s) at the end of our net worth, but the bottom line wealth is that both parents work, no one has any time for happiness. What kind of wealth is that? Backwards! You are measuring everything in paper, just as Americans are. Wait a few years when the paper is worthless, then you see that very little true wealth has been created since 1971. Instead, most of our factories are gone. Most of our populace doesn't know how to mow the grass. And moreover, when the speculation period ends in the next great depression, all that paper will make good toilet paper. hahaha, you really believe the speculation mantra! What a fool! Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 10, 2005 05:31 AM Let me apologize for losing my civility. I restate "What a fool!" to "I think you are foolish.". Ralph wrote: Let me add that Warren Buffet, the USA's most successful and prolific investor, owns more silver than any other person in the world. He is shorting the US dollar with silver, also with enormous foreign currency holdings. You want to bet against Warren Buffet?
http://www.steinreport.com/archives/008633.html Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 10, 2005 06:11 AM “Let me add that Warren Buffet, the USA's most successful and prolific investor, owns more silver than any other person in the world.” He also owns a whole helluva lot more dollar dominated securities than most people in the world. Posted by: Ralph on November 10, 2005 09:44 AM “I never said the last Great Depression was caused by illegal immigration” “Illegal immigration is a symptom of the SPECULATION mantra that grips a society during massive monetary inflation.” “I have read most of the prominent economists……. a vast majority a long-term for the West that is in decline.” “Standard of living has been cut by 50% at least.” “Of course we have more gadgets now, and we have more zeros (0s) at the end of our net worth, but the bottom line wealth is that both parents work, no one has any time for happiness. What kind of wealth is that? Backwards!” “You are measuring everything in paper” Posted by: Ralph on November 10, 2005 09:51 AM Ralph, You (and other readers) can find my item-by-item rebuttal to your previous post on this page, near the bottom of the following page: http://www.steinreport.com/archives/008633.html Posted by: Shelby Moore on November 11, 2005 09:15 AM |
